He believed.

For that I need numbers.

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No, actually he still believes it.


Here is what you get with national health care.

[ Despite the increases, Canada, with 12 CT scanners and 6 MRI machines per million population, falls below the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) median of 15 CT scanners and 7 MRI machines per million population in 2005, the latest year for which data are available. There were 103 CT exams per 1,000 people performed in Canada in 2007, less than the rate performed in both the United States (207) and Belgium (138), but higher than the rate in Sweden (89), Spain (57), England (54) and Denmark (34). In comparison, Canada's rate of MRI exams per 1,000 population (31) was higher than that in England (25), Spain (21) and Denmark (17), and lower than in the U.S. (89), Belgium (43) and Sweden (39). Information on scans per 1,000 population was available for only six OECD countries other than Canada. ]

If you get sick in Denmark or Spain, God help you.

Those of you who support Obama-Care need to read our constitution. The United States was never meant to have top down, soviet style government. I believe our founding Fathers had the right idea when they wrote our constitution.

I don't want my Country "Fundamentally changed", and certainly not by Chicago politicians who turn to Marx and Mao for inspiration.

One thing that video said was that some Canadians are barred from buying private insurance. How many Americans want that kind of interference in their lives? Not I.

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Ha ha, he still assumes he would be dead. That doesn't mean he would be, would he?

So why are Danes than the happiest people on the planet and why as we take you as an example so miserable?

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Latest tax burdens by country.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/tax_burden_country_ranks_2009.html

Also please bear in mind when it comes to Canada, that every Province except Alberta imposes higher sales taxes than any state in the US.

American incomes are relatively high, and our tax burden relatively low. We should all be able to afford our own health ins. Without a total takeover by government. Obama is on record saying he intends a total takeover, don't believe a Chicago politician when they suddenly claim to have changed their ways. Just look at the philosophies of the people he's chose to surround himself with for the last 30 years. He asked us to do so.

Why are Danes so happy????

"The key factor that explains this, and that differentiates Danes from Swedes and Finns, seems to be that Danes have consistently low expectations for the year to come.

So the key to happiness may lie in the fact that if you lower your expectations enough you might feel a bit better next Christmas, they conclude."

And now you know the rest of the story.

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I have a question, If there are no long waiting lines in the canada system, and the service is good, why do many (even the small %) choose to pay from their pocket and use the usa services? That does not add up to my thinking. Also if you change the usa system, to be more like the canada system, why would anyone try and create the new services that people come to the usa for from all over the world? even the drug companies will loose the funding to develop and test new drugs because the drive of profit will be gone.
I believe that if a change like this happens, then the greatest loss will not be to the people of the usa, but to the world, who will loose the usa system, and the advances that the "greed" drive.
I believe it is out of control, and needs some change. But I also believe that too big of a change too quickly may cause unforseen damage.
My father's life was saved this year by a heart proceedure that is only a few years old. Just so you know where I am comming from.

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First, all healthcare systems have their issues. Second, there is a manipulation done regarding Canada's health system, and it's an easy one. Some procedures do have a waiting period. The conclusion some would like you to draw, and say as fact, is that all ill Canadians are languishing and dying from deadly diseases and conditions because some people have to wait for some things sometimes. The kinds of things Canadians have to wait for are quality of life things. Not things that without them you'll die. Things that without them, life may be burdened. Like incontinence for example. Surely it is a burden. I don't dismiss the lowering of quality of life caused by it. You can't die of incontinence though. So, in Canada, you have to wait for corrective surgery. Here in America, you have to potentially fight with your insurance company/HMO so they don't deem it elective, then pay a lot of money for the surgery. Some Canadians with the wherewithal to do it would rather spend the extra money to come here and get done what needs to be done to improve their quality of life. Not to save it.
The third is the most important. No one said Canada's system will be copied here. Canadians like their system. They are not among the sickest people in the world. They don't have high mortality rates. They don't have low treatment success rates. Good for them. Nobody has ever said we are going to do what Canada does.

I'm afraid you might be suffering from ignorance on this matter. The United States is not the only country engaged in medical research. There have been several advances in medicine from European, Canadian, and other doctors.
Second, medical research is not directly funded by premiums paid to insurance companies. It is funded from a variety of sources.

One thing the rest of the world is definitely going to suffer from (assuming this change is in the bill) is that Americans will no longer subsidize foreigners' prescription medication. Every other country in the world negotiates prices with pharm companies. So when they cut France a deal on prescriptions, guess who picks up the monetary slack? Look in a mirror.

Glad to hear it. What procedure?

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Why is my dad paying extra out of his own pocket to fly to Germany and get treatment there?

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Tankdriver;
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that the usa is the only place the comes up with new ideas, And I will admit to being new to looking at this topic, that is why I asked the question. This seems to be a discussion, more than a bashing from one side or the other.
I understand it will not be exactly the same, but that is what everyone is comparing. And there are a lot of things I do not like about the system here in the usa, and agree some things need to change.
I realize there are a lot of sources for funding (governments and groups that fight a certain thing for example), but it seems to me that a lot of the driving force in the new development is profit, And insurace companies do impact that by choosing the perscriptions they write and pay for. So it does impact it. I know of few who can actually afford medicines on their own. We do ned to be compasionate, but also require everyone to do what the can for themselves. And I do not see either side tring to find a good solution.
My dad had a heart valve replaced with very little surgery. Do not remember what it was called.
I see all the confilct and it reminds me of the grass is greener until you get to the other side of the fence, then it is greener on the other side.
davidmash;
Why is your dad doing that? I would like to know. You hear about people comming here, but not much about it being the other way.
I do not mean to distract from your previous discssion, thanks for your time.

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this happens a lot, in general it is because the procedure, drug or device is not approved in the US, if it involves a drug at has to go through the very long process of clinical trials and similarly if it involves a new device or a procedure that is not substancially equivalent to an already approved device or procedure.

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Medical advancements are not entirely profit driven. And as I mentioned, other countries with universal health care do medical research too, so they too profit from their procedures and equipment designs. Insurance companies primarily concern themselves with procedures and devices that cost less. That is what they drive in terms of medical research. Cheap alternatives. Depending on your plan, they will accept most if not all non-elective pills your doctor may prescribe.

The impetus for developing drugs comes from the government and pharmaceutical companies. There are huge government subsidies for the development of new medications. That is why nearly everything these days is a syndrome, disease, or disorder. So that government money can be procured to develop drugs to combat them. People not being able to afford prescriptions is a big deal, one that IMO needs to be addressed. The costs of these medications need to be controlled by allowing government programs to negotiate their rates, as private insurance does.

As for requiring everyone to do what they can for themselves, the current proposal mandates people buy coverage. If you do not buy health insurance, you get fined. Now, if the government is going to mandate people go get their coverage, then the government is obligated to make it affordable. The majority of people on Medicare also carry private insurance to handle the gaps in MC coverage. Not to mention, MC doesn't cover 100% of everything. They have percentages and copays same as everyone else.
There are parts of healthcare reform both sides agree on. The problem is the parts they don't agree on need to be included in the bill. If they are not, they'll never make it on their own. That is why they don't simply pass more than one bill. The things the Democrats want to pass are more reform oriented than what the Republicans want.

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Like they did with the $300 ashtrays in the military? Like they currently do by telling the military what to buy based on which industries are in their state? Like they did with SS by raping it like a cheap whore in a prison? Like they did with your tobacco Windfall money? What you are talking about is a lying whore of a spouse and you think tomorrow will be different so you go buy a million dollar life insurance policy and make her the beneficiary.

So I have to buy something I may or may not want just so the thing works out. Much like SS. I have to "contribute" to a fund whether I think I can do better elsewhere or not.

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Hey! Everyone!

We just passed the "O" HC Bill in the House!

Enemas for everyone!!!

They're on us!!!

(LEGAL NOTICE: The HC Bill does not contain anything of real importance...just open your bank accounts and stand back. Some pain will be persistent. Batteries are not included. Some assembly is required, we'll let you know when we feel it's time for you to know. Collect whatever you have and take a picture of it. It will soon be ours. Any reference to the Male Gender could also mean to the Female and/or the Neutered, any reference to the Female could also mean to the Neutered and/or Male and any reference to the Neutered could also mean to the Male and/or Female. Oh, never mind. You'll all be neutered. Any reference to God, or any diety not recognized by the Left will be subject to termination of benefits, as well as the referencer. Massive Under-utilization [highly unlikely] of said program could cause massive hysteria on the parts of paternal representatives, which could be recognized as an over-reaction in either the House, the Senate and/or both, is to be over-corrected by a massive infusion of cash from those not effected. Massive over-utilization of said program [highly likely] could cause massive hysteria on the parts of paternal representatives, which could be recognized as an over-reaction in either the House, the Senate and/or both, is to be over-corrected by a massive infusion of cash from those not effected. If pain should persist, see your Doctor for the last time. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. We are Obamas'.)

Have a collective day, comrade! (As in "cans for cash" - you'll need that job to pay for this 5hit... )

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It must really suck to be afraid of everything.

And it must be great to be gullible. I suppose you also would advocate that a spouse try cure the other spouse who is lying and cheating on him to buy a million dollar term life policy and make her the beneficiary in hopes of changing him/her.

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