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Old 11-14-2009, 01:34 PM
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Healthcare Reform & Abortion

I understand the philosophical debate, but does the congressional proposal provide more, less or the same coverage for abortion services than 1) private sector health insurance; 2) state sponsored Medicaid; or 3) any other widely available resource?

For instance, do some currently available plans treat abortion services as a non-reimbursable "elective" procedure?

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Old 11-14-2009, 02:55 PM
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I don't know and don't care unless it has a significant affect on the cost.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:27 AM
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I understand the philosophical debate, but does the congressional proposal provide more, less or the same coverage for abortion services than 1) private sector health insurance; 2) state sponsored Medicaid; or 3) any other widely available resource?

For instance, do some currently available plans treat abortion services as a non-reimbursable "elective" procedure?
There is a good Q&A here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111401597.html?hpid=topnews

But, as I understand it, the answers to your questions are:

1. Less coverage in private sector health insurance, to the extent that no private health plan option can cover an abortion service if insures people using the federal subsidy.

2. No change in Medicaid, as federal law currently prohibits federal payments for abortion services. There are, however, some states that use state only funding to pay for abortion services.

3. Unsure what other resources are available to cover these services.
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:49 AM
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On the other hand.....

A friend of mine was talking to a local ob/gyn last week who had just delivered the ninth child to a medicaid patient!

Hosanna! Another check!
I'll see your abortion and raise you a sterilization.
Medicaid or Octomoms, Enough Already!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:32 AM
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I used to think it should be mandatory to have birth control if on welfare. The idea may still have merit but I don't know how it might technically work.
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I used to think it should be mandatory to have birth control if on welfare. The idea may still have merit but I don't know how it might technically work.

When i was a kid many years ago now the local welfare office had more than one woman around the corner renting kids with different shirts for each customer to bring into the building to prove dependants

they could start with stopping the abuse JuST like HC the gov system in place has billions in abuse, but they clame thats a saving when they get around to fixing Medacare YA RIGHT not in my life time
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What's the rationale for denying coverage for a completely legal medical procedure? Does medical insurance typically cover a vasectomy? I believe it does and the same rationale for Catholics which proves the immorality of abortion proves the immorality of birth control.
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What's the rationale for denying coverage for a completely legal medical procedure? Does medical insurance typically cover a vasectomy? I believe it does and the same rationale for Catholics which proves the immorality of abortion proves the immorality of birth control.

your right about the idle worship god never comes to mind till you fall off a building

i never got that what they believe in Smoaking mirrors ????????????

it must be nothing BUT those on the left, they sure take every opportunity
to bash someone who believes in what ever, CEPT if your a Muslim than you get a pass -- jz
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What's the rationale for denying coverage for a completely legal medical procedure? Does medical insurance typically cover a vasectomy? I believe it does and the same rationale for Catholics which proves the immorality of abortion proves the immorality of birth control.
What does gay sex (in the past before IVF came along), abortion and "Jerkin the Gerkin" have in common? NO KIDS. Follow the logic. No kids = smaller herd. Smaller herd = smaller group of believers of sad faith. Smaller group of believers of sad faith = less political clout and more susceptibility to being wiped out by bigger group. When a religion starts out, they are a small cult. As such, they want to grow. You "Jerkin the Gerkin" or having homosexual sex or having an abortion isn't helping to grow the herd, is it?

The religious groups give big bucks to the Reps and they want their money's worth. Kinda like the gay groups gave votes and money to the Dems and they too want their money's worth. If you disappoint me, I might just decide not to help you in your career Mr Congressman.
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The religious groups give big bucks to the Reps and they want their money's worth. Kinda like the gay groups gave votes and money to the Dems and they too want their money's worth. If you disappoint me, I might just decide not to help you in your career Mr Congressman.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when "single issue"-focused fanatics and nut jobs (Anti-abortion, guns, religious, gay, etc. fanatics and freaks, and banks, big oil, insurance companies too) totally DERAIL and pervert proposed legislation all the time because of their fanaticism, and go feed it by bribing Congressmen who are more concerned with their boat payments than the merit of the legislation.


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I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when "single issue"-focused fanatics and nut jobs (Anti-abortion, guns, religious, gay, etc. fanatics and freaks, and banks, big oil, insurance companies too) totally DERAIL and pervert proposed legislation all the time because of their fanaticism, and go feed it by bribing Congressmen who are more concerned with their boat payments than the merit of the legislation.


Problem is there are too many people that want to pull the lever 1 time in X years and not have to think about it and let that guy take care of their wants and needs. I'm a Rep. Therefore I pull the red lever. You are a Dem, you pull the blue lever. Now, lets get back to something important. Oprah. Pass the Bon-bons.
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your right about the idle worship god never comes to mind till you fall off a building

i never got that what they believe in Smoaking mirrors ????????????

it must be nothing BUT those on the left, they sure take every opportunity
to bash someone who believes in what ever, CEPT if your a Muslim than you get a pass -- jz

Holy crap man! Are you trying to post in tongues?
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Your right to swing your fist ends at the beginning of my nose, but your right to reach into my wallet just never stops now does it.
So, no coverage for lung cancer to people that have a history of smoking, no coverage for teens with a sexually transmitted disease or treatment of diabetes if morbidly overweight?

Or will there be panel or committee to decide on the moral hair splitting?
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Apparently, the RNC's health care provider, Cigna, for the past 18 years provided RNC staffers with insurance coverage for, you know what . . . until Michael Steele found out and "opted out."

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