American fundamentalism and being 'born again' - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #1 12-14-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dannym

I never ceases to amaze me the extent some people will go to deny the existence of God. Like if they did they would be struck by a lightning bolt or something.

The point is Jesus didn't come from some high ranking family, He came from people who are just like our society today.

You don't have to be morally right to accept God in your life. In fact having high morals can be a stumbling block because people tend to thing that their good deeds alone can reconcile them to God.

God knows what you have done, he knows what's in your heart. He knows everything. God does not want to be your moral redeamer, he just wants you!

God tells us that he will take our sin(our past, things we have done, maybe ashamed of) and throw them into the depths of the sea, never to be seen again. Jesus lived the life we should have lived and died the death we deserve. If that's not a gift I don't know what is.

Wasn't Saul blinded till he "reformed"?

Neither did Charles Manson. What's your point? that if you are low caste, what you say is right automatically?

You just have to swear allegiance to that deity is all. That is what govt is for today. For the unbelievers. That gives them something to swear allegiance to and have that govt now fix all their ills. See? Something for everyone.

Have him meet me at a public place at a time of my choosing and let him tell us instead of all kinds of insidious signs which could be interpreted any way you want. Good thing happen to you? Blessing. Bad thing happen? Part of a plan you cannot understand.

Define "gift", please. I think you are confusing it with "trade" or "barter". As I asked, can I have a helping of that gift if I don't swear allegiance or whatever it is you call it? If that is truly free, let me know. Otherwise, it is not a gift, as you put it.

dannym · #2 12-15-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Wasn't Saul blinded till he "reformed"?

Neither did Charles Manson. What's your point? that if you are low caste, what you say is right automatically?

You just have to swear allegiance to that deity is all. That is what govt is for today. For the unbelievers. That gives them something to swear allegiance to and have that govt now fix all their ills. See? Something for everyone.

Have him meet me at a public place at a time of my choosing and let him tell us instead of all kinds of insidious signs which could be interpreted any way you want. Good thing happen to you? Blessing. Bad thing happen? Part of a plan you cannot understand.

Define "gift", please. I think you are confusing it with "trade" or "barter". As I asked, can I have a helping of that gift if I don't swear allegiance or whatever it is you call it? If that is truly free, let me know. Otherwise, it is not a gift, as you put it.

Maybe gift isn't the correct word. I think grace would be better. An unearned gift given without expectation of return. Not to be confused with mercy.
What makes you think you have to swear allegience to God to recieve his grace?
You just don't get it.
God doesn't stand on a high moral ground and he doesn't expect you to.
Now your mixing in politics with religion? You really like to stir the pot don't you?

Danny

aklim · #3 12-15-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dannym

Maybe gift isn't the correct word. I think grace would be better. An unearned gift given without expectation of return. Not to be confused with mercy.

What makes you think you have to swear allegience to God to recieve his grace?

OK. So now we call it grace. Either way, there is a return, is there not? Is it given freely to everyone irespective of what they choose to believe or do? If not, how do you believe it is more than a trade of commodities?

How do you receive this "grace"?

elchivito · #4 12-15-2009, 12:55 PM

Job 32-37: Be Wary of those who claim to know God's will.

I've always found it fascinating (and on a number of occasions more than a little irritating) that Christians, like their Islamist brethren have no problem understanding God's will.
No atheist, I find my proof of a creative force in the occurrence of the Golden Mean throughout nature. The delicate symmetry of leaves. The way a newborn lamb or kid seeks food from it's mother, the struggle to live and the eventual graceful submission to death of a dying mare. Anyone who thinks they know more about what the creator has in store for ME than I do is a fool, not to be suffered gladly.

okyoureabeast · #5 12-15-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Job 32-37: Be Wary of those who claim to know God's will.

I've always found it fascinating (and on a number of occasions more than a little irritating) that Christians, like their Islamist brethren have no problem understanding God's will.
No atheist, I find my proof of a creative force in the occurrence of the Golden Mean throughout nature. The delicate symmetry of leaves. The way a newborn lamb or kid seeks food from it's mother, the struggle to live and the eventual graceful submission to death of a dying mare. Anyone who thinks they know more about what the creator has in store for ME than I do is a fool, not to be suffered gladly.

I think if more Christians read the bible in its entirety they will be less inclined to be Christians. This is coincidentally what happened to me.

I've always held that passage close to me when people say, "What would our Lord do?" and subsequently proclaim what is right.

I said it earlier and i'll say it again. Nothing is more pleasing then helping another. This morning I offered my fresh cup of coffee to a guy who was running late. Since I had an extra hour to kill I gave him my cup.

I'm not good hearted by any stretch of the imagination, but I try to help others as often as I can. Personally we should all do the same.

aklim · #6 12-15-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast

I think if more Christians read the bible in its entirety they will be less inclined to be Christians. This is coincidentally what happened to me.

Nothing is more pleasing then helping another.

Depends on whether you gloss it over or not. I look at what that deity does and I am not impressed. A lot of screwing around with people's lives like they were laboratory mice. Should I respect such a deity? There are so many to choose from that do screw with your life as their holy text will say. So what so good about this one or that one? Asking someone to kill his son to prove loyalty to the deity. That sound like someone you should respect?

Try watching someone who screwed you over get hit in the shorts again and again especially if it is by your hands. That is more pleasing. I have even given up a round of good sex to watch an enemy suffer a migraine and I "accidentally" lost his expensive glasses. But being soft hearted, I helped him search for it. Alas, the effort was in vain.