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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/01/06/a-fruit-fly-with-a-laser-shaved-penis-just-cant-catch-a-break/

Using a precision laser would have been more appropriate

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"No, Mr Bond, I expect you to die!"

Goldfinger tried one on James Bond back in 1964.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TmeBd9338&feature=player_embedded#

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Well, he should consider himself lucky that he did survive the nuclear blasts, and even be thankful for the bombs- The other option was a direct assault, costing many millions of lives on both sides. I personally think the bomb was the right decision in the sense it was the lesser of two horrible choices.

The lesser of two choices...??
That's an interesting way of thinking, esp when the other option is based of pure presumption.
I understand that this is the wide spread understanding and how it is been tought to the American people in order to justify what has been done and to think it is ok to kill 200k civilian in a matter of seconds, if we do it.

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I dunno man, I think the hawks are right on this one. Japanese soldiers had a religious sort of devotion to fighting to the bitter end, to death that is hard to find a match for in history. The incredibly hard fighting that our guys (my Dad among them) endured fighting just for distant islands gave a good indication of how intractable the fighting was going to be on the main islands.

We humans have never built a weapon that we didn't eventually use. With any luck, the 2 bombs in Japan will be the first and only conflict they were used in.

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Too many various angles to determine a single view to be right or wrong.
The Japanese devotion for the way they fought is just as righteous as the willingness to drop an atomic bomb or 2 on civilian areas as it's been done.

Maybe "the hawks" knew and may not have been victorious as they were by facing Japanese soldiers in conventional battles.

And yes, there was very clear determination behind the development of the bombs, already during the pretext of The Manhatten Project.

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It's tough to put ourselves in that environment, IMO. Germany was working on a nuke, Einstein thought so anyway and we now know he was right. Combined with their advanced (for the day) missile tech, if they'd got the bomb first, would have been a different ballgame. One wonders how many nukes they would have used on Allied cities.

The Japanese were pretty harsh in WW2. Not saying they deserved to be nuked but I can see how people at the time could have felt justified in that.

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So how about them sanctions?

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(*off a $38'000 purchase)
Look at the savings!

Sometimes the guy across the street sides with the guy up the street and picks on that guys next door neighbor. So I threaten the guy across the street with an exploding house or full on assault and he's happy when I just blow him up after starving his family. Because there's nothing else I could have done.

Dude, seriously, learn to use the multi-quote function.
The fact of the matter has already been stated, the Japanese would have given a huge fight that would have ended in many more deaths than the bombs caused. Now don't get me wrong, I am not specifically "pro-bomb", but I believe in using the right tool for the job. If they were willing to order their pilots to their deaths, and the pilots celebrated that opportunity to die for their country, how do you fight that? How do you stop someone who is trying to kill you yet also wants to die? Would you lay down and let them kill you?
The US military completely and utterly defeated the Japanese, but they would not surrender. They kept fighting, death was more honorable than loss. It was an unfortunate action, but again I will say that was the better option. Please note also that even in my original post, I never said it was a good option, just that it was less horrific.

Same words, same justification. Where did you earn the degree to make such assessment?
Purely apologetic.

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“It is the phrasing of the term, "it ended the war", to create the belief, it was a "good thing", rather than stating, 'chances are we may not have defeated the Japanese on their island with conventional means'.”

On what basis do you put forth the proposition “rather than stating”:

"chances are we may not have defeated the Japanese on their island with conventional means."

All the evidence prior to using nuclear weapons was that; as had already been demonstrated by the complete destruction and defeat of the German national effort, the Japanese national effort would be completely destroyed and defeated on their island with conventional means also. One would think that someone with a personal history of national defeat at the hands of America would have a more measured and realistic view of the chances of a wartime ally facing the same!

“Hypocritical and apologetic, to say the least. But than again, propagandist rethoric is part of the equation”

Reviewing the posts of this thread it appears the “it ended the war” construct is a fabricated “phrasing of the term” of your own, you falsely attribute to some other! The fact that no one uttered either those words or statement makes it hard to understand your basis for concluding that something unspoken is hypocritical or apologetic much less propagandist rhetoric! Critical analysis is usually more valued if the subject of said critique exists somewhere other than in the mind of the critic!

Noone may have uttered those phrasings, but all the justified statements lead back to the same official version of Western historical records of the A-Bomb dropings as "they ended WWII".
You may want to revisit the teachings of US History.

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The historical records show that not to be the case with the "Master Race"! The will of Germans and Germany was broken under the American boot and at the point of the American bayonet long before A-Bombs where needed.

I've been here for the last 50+ years and that was never taught in the schools I've attended. I learned that the deliberate immolation of 200,000+ threats to freedom and liberty was the final act which occurred after 4+ years of countless similar albeit less efficient acts that ultimately convinced Japan and its people the wisdom of unconditional surrender.

First you stated pure conjecture:
Then your own personal perversion of reality:
Then your similar dyslexic veiw :
I’ve simply responded that in the case of defeated Germany none of what you’ve proffered applies, Germany was defeated in conventional battles, by conventional means, by superior adversaries, before the use of nuclear weapons by America!

At the time, I could only contribute future promise!

What you fail to understand is that America started with infinitely more freedoms than any others and can afford to loose a larger percentage than any others and afterwards still remain the most free and libertine!

A circumstance directly attributable to the failure of German logistical planning and evidence of superior American strategic planning and tactical execution!

You must be confusing your photos; MacArthur would be in the Philippines not at the collapse of the German Westfront!

Twice in the twentieth century being brought to heel and bowing to American will proves otherwise!

You must be reading Russian history! Russia may have fielded more men, and lost more men, but they where wearing American boots, shooting American bullets, moving in American vehicles, eating American food, and wiping their a$$es with German tongues.

Time does not evolve it only advances. Circumstances evolve! Your analysis and description of the “game” is myopic.

The number of Chevy pickup truck forums and the number of participants in those forums most likely out number many other forums!

A lesson Germany has twice been schooled in by America. A lesson you’ve undoubtedly taken to heart considering German military impotence on display today in Afghanistan. America is not a militarist country and militarism in defense of freedom and liberty is no vice something you would do well to learn!