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Old 01-15-2010, 01:02 PM
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not illegal, just subversive and wrong....
Wrong? That's an interesting concept.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:06 PM
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Wrong? That's an interesting concept.
for starters, count how many communist governments perpetuated genocide on its own populace in the 20th century and compare it with that of non communist states... communism is a sham that promises equality for all and is actually just a mechanism for an elite to rule a country with an iron hand...
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:09 PM
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for starters, count how many communist governments perpetuated genocide on its own populace in the 20th century and compare it with that of non communist states... communism is a sham that promises equality for all and is actually just a mechanism for an elite to rule a country with an iron hand...
Oh, you're going to dodge the questions by hijacking the thread? Nice. Start another thread. Again I ask, what is with the right wing obsession with Alinsky?
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:11 PM
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Oh, you're going to dodge the questions by hijacking the thread? Nice. Start another thread.
no, I won't. I was answering a question.... thread subject back on....
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:13 PM
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Oh, you're going to dodge the questions by hijacking the thread? Nice. Start another thread. Again I ask, what is with the right wing obsession with Alinsky?
If you insist:

"Notes on Saul Alinsky and Neo-Marxism:

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins's wrath by suggesting that Lenin's revolutionary plan wouldn't work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report:

"By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible.... Gramsci's master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity's transcendent God." "


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Old 01-15-2010, 01:34 PM
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If you insist:

"Notes on Saul Alinsky and Neo-Marxism:

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins's wrath by suggesting that Lenin's revolutionary plan wouldn't work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report:

"By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible.... Gramsci's master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity's transcendent God." "

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:20 PM
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for starters, count how many communist governments perpetuated genocide on its own populace in the 20th century and compare it with that of non communist states... communism is a sham that promises equality for all and is actually just a mechanism for an elite to rule a country with an iron hand...
I think you are confusing communism with Communism, but neither seems to be applicable to this individual anyway.

BTW, I was commenting on your overall concept of "wrong" as a self-evident answer to a question, not on any of this nonsense.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:38 PM
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I think you are confusing communism with Communism, but neither seems to be applicable to this individual anyway.

BTW, I was commenting on your overall concept of "wrong" as a self-evident answer to a question, not on any of this nonsense.
RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:56 PM
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RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy..."
That's what happens when your enemy brings a knife to a gunfight, sorry.
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That's what happens when your enemy brings a knife to a gunfight, sorry.
Rule 3: "irrelevant arguments"

And of course;

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Nice try.
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Old 01-15-2010, 01:51 PM
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for starters, count how many communist governments perpetuated genocide on its own populace in the 20th century and compare it with that of non communist states... communism is a sham that promises equality for all and is actually just a mechanism for an elite to rule a country with an iron hand...
Absolutely correct.

One needs only look to the one party rule in Washington, D.C. Only 35% of Americans want government furnished healthcare. Tyranny, plain and simple.
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