You need a smaller knife to split that hair, Dear Leader?

Let me attempt by way of analogy to illustrate that which you so determinedly wish not to see.

If I were to say that I greatly admired Adolf Hitler and wished to organise the community around his philosophy I think it likely that most would be of the opinion that this is not a good thing. Reason being that Nazi ideology is not generally considered a good thing. Some folks might think it was racist, some might think it was potentially genocidal, that it could turn ugly, that it might not be good for America.

Now, difficult though it might be for the left to digest, there are actually people who think that Alinsky was bad for America. And so the point is that the fact that Clinton was apparently a fan, and Obama claims inspiration from the philosophy that he championed is not a good thing.

I guess then that the point might be that the currently governing elites of the country are individuals of unfit background for the role with social views diametrically opposed to traditional middle class ones and that this is unfortunate for America.

But not to worry, I'm sure it doesn't impact you.

No. Just the usual left wing apologists for socialist doctrine that infest the academic establishment in the west.

That is a red herring. Opinions will always differ. But some are actually hostile to the US, and I see no reason to white wash them, respect them, or allow them to proceed unchallenged.

- Peter.

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^ Exactly.

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Man, it took forever for Hitler and socialism to appear in this thread. But darn if it didn't finally get here . . . Game Over!

JollyRoger,

Alinsky was a communist party member. When doesn't matter. The fact is he was. We were correct.

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Communism, like Prohibition, is a good idea, but it will never work. W. Rogers

How about I use the question that was asked before that pathetic attempt at disinformation provided.

PLAYBOY: What was your own relationship with the Communist Party?

ALINSKY: I knew plenty of Communists in those days, and I worked with them on a number of projects. Back in the Thirties, the Communists did a hell of a lot of good work; they were in the vanguard of the labor movement and they played an important role in aiding blacks and Okies and Southern sharecroppers. Anybody who tells you he was active in progressive causes in those days and never worked with the Reds is a goddamn liar. Their platform stood for all the right things, and unlike many liberals, they were willing to put their bodies on the line. Without the Communists, for example, I doubt the C.I.O. could have won all the battles it did. I was also sympathetic to Russia in those days, not because I admired Stalin or the Soviet system but because it seemed to be the only country willing to stand up to Hitler. I was in charge of a big part of fund raising for the International Brigade and in that capacity I worked in close alliance with the Communist Party.
When the Nazi-Soviet Pact came, though, and I refused to toe the party line and urged support for England and for American intervention in the war, the party turned on me tooth and nail. Chicago Reds plastered the Back of the Yards with big posters featuring a caricature of me with a snarling, slavering fanged mouth and wild eyes, labeled, "This is the face of a warmonger." But there were too many Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians and Latvians in the area for that tactic to go over very well. Actually, the greatest weakness of the party was its slavish parroting of the Moscow line. It could have been much more effective if it had adopted a relatively independent stance, like the western European parties do today. But all in all, and despite my own fights with them, I think the Communists of the Thirties deserve a lot of credit for the struggles they led or participated in. Today the party is just a shadow of the past, but in the Depiession it was a positive force for social change. A lot of its leaders and organizers were jerks, of course, but objectively the party in those days was on the right side and did considerable good.

I keep asking you: why was Alinsky bad for America? What is the beef? You talk past it, so I find you pointless.

Ah sorry, but you don't back up what you say, you just say stuff and expect us to believe it. I just don't see where you fit into an intelligent conversation.

Because the philosophy of the organisations that he established and which have been continued by community activist groups to this day eschew individual responsibility and promote collective, government driven, welfare dependency. That clear enough for you?

- Peter.

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2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
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1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

Nice nitpick. Read it again, this time for comprehension. There are many issues where the position of the Nazi Party and the Republican Party are in common. They both hate Affirmative Action, for example. Under your reasoning and distorted interpretation of his remarks, that makes all Republicans Nazis for the same reason you just claimed Alinsky is a commie. You are learning "guilt by association" well from Dear Leader Beck. Nice fodder for simple minds, but for us educated folks, it is poor reasoning, and silly.

Gotta love Alinsky's testimony.

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You mean poor people, right, got it.... How dare they try to use democracy!

Tell me, if those who do not share in your "middle class values" are in the majority, should they be denied the right to rule if they win an election?

Thank you for answering the question. If I understand, you believe that people with "social views diametrically opposed to traditional middle class ones" should not be in a position of leadership. OK, that certainly meets the classic definition of a conservative.

Now if we extend that view over several generations, we would never depart from the traditional middle class values of the previous generation. So, how far back do you wish to extend this criterion?

-Let's go back one generation and eliminate all rights for gays, that certainly didn't meet the middle class values of my parent's generation (still ongoing in some US backwaters)

-Lets go back another of generation and eliminate all access rights for handicapped persons, the middle class values indicated that such people should be institutionalized

-Let's go back a little further and eliminate all civil rights for ethnic minorities, that would be consistent with middle class values as recently as the 60s (the 80s in some backwaters)

-Lets go back to the early/mid-20th century and eliminate all rights for women, including voting

We could keep going. The point is that having people with "social views diametrically opposed to traditional middle class ones" is absolutely essential to any social progress. The alternative is to have a stagnate society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in the america of the 50s, or even in the america of the 90s. I really hope the current conservatives have more to offer than constant foot dragging (i.e., always fighting the last battle, after it has already been lost). How about trying to get ahead of the curve for once?

Do you even know what the International Brigade was?