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Old 02-20-2010, 04:46 PM
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You are kidding, right?
The conservatives find much to criticize about this President; most of his policies are counter-productive and wrong-headed, from health care to bailing out failed private business. Throw in the ineptness of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi administration to pass their own legislation even given a super majority in both houses.
Incompetence like this does not come often.
You are conveniently leaving out the fact that the current crop of Rrs are setting records in filibuster use and general foot dragging. About double the previous Dd record for filibusters. And now Rrs have an unstoppable super-minority.

My take is that Rrs still cling to belief in their imminent permanent majority. Democracy requires some respect and cooperation. Without it, it's just constant feuding. While Rome burns.

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Old 02-20-2010, 05:02 PM
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And if you can't talk off the cuff to sixth graders, leave the cameras outside the classroom, if you are so worried about the image thing.
False. Teleprompters were not present when he talked with the kids. Were set up later for a national address.

You can see in the video in question, he is not addressing his remarks to children, but to adults who might be viewing the speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVpOH4MGPBg&feature=related

But why let the truth get in the way of a piece of juicy slander?

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His view of Job 1 seems to be Campaigner in Chief.
What, the Dubbers didn't put in copious miles stumping for Rr candidates? Amazing how Repubs are discovering all this "new" behavior for the first time.
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Old 02-20-2010, 05:20 PM
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You are kidding, right?
The conservatives find much to criticize about this President; most of his policies are counter-productive and wrong-headed, from health care to bailing out failed private business. Throw in the ineptness of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi administration to pass their own legislation even given a super majority in both houses.
Incompetence like this does not come often.

Pure partisan political nonsense. While this economy may not be booming, It sure as hell is better off than it was 15 months ago. Our banking institutions have stabilized. That's a good thing. I'd hate to think where we'd be if the banking system was left to fail. And at last check, half the money appropriated wasn't spent, and half the money "loaned" has been already paid back, with interest. That's a good thing.

And if you think that letting GM fail would have been a good thing, think again. Many thousands of jobs were saved, the company has reorganized, and I believe they have a bright future ahead. Eventually, GM will pay the money back and be stronger. That's a good thing for our country.

And while the "super majority" congress may have had some stumbles, it's good to see the democrats can think for themselves as individual representatives and not just vote the party line. That's a good thing.
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Pure partisan political nonsense. While this economy may not be booming, It sure as hell is better off than it was 15 months ago. Our banking institutions have stabilized. That's a good thing. I'd hate to think where we'd be if the banking system was left to fail. And at last check, half the money appropriated wasn't spent, and half the money "loaned" has been already paid back, with interest. That's a good thing.

And if you think that letting GM fail would have been a good thing, think again. Many thousands of jobs were saved, the company has reorganized, and I believe they have a bright future ahead. Eventually, GM will pay the money back and be stronger. That's a good thing for our country.

And while the "super majority" congress may have had some stumbles, it's good to see the democrats can think for themselves as individual representatives and not just vote the party line. That's a good thing.
If GM had filed bankruptcy do you think all the jobs would have been lost?
Reorganization would have allowed them to shed their pricey union pension plan, and made them MORE competitive.

I consider YOUR post " Pure partisan political nonsense".

The truth is that we are both partisan, and have different political philosophies.
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Old 02-20-2010, 07:57 PM
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If GM had filed bankruptcy do you think all the jobs would have been lost?
Reorganization would have allowed them to shed their pricey union pension plan, and made them MORE competitive.

I consider YOUR post " Pure partisan political nonsense".

The truth is that we are both partisan, and have different political philosophies.
GM did declare bankrupcy and they did reorganize. And it was only because of government support that they survived and hundred of thousands people kept their jobs.

If allowing our financial and industrial complexes to fail without lifting a finger to intervene is partisan politics, then so be it. And if it's partisan politics to step in to avoid financial collapse from happening, then so be that too. There comes a time when one has to swallow his principles and prevent the ship from sinking. We're much better off now than we were 15 months ago, no thanks to the GOP. If the GOP had it their way, we'd be in a deep depression right now instead of a mild recession.
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GM did declare bankrupcy and they did reorganize. And it was only because of government support that they survived and hundred of thousands people kept their jobs.

If allowing our financial and industrial complexes to fail without lifting a finger to intervene is partisan politics, then so be it. And if it's partisan politics to step in to avoid financial collapse from happening, then so be that too. There comes a time when one has to swallow his principles and prevent the ship from sinking. We're much better off now than we were 15 months ago, no thanks to the GOP. If the GOP had it their way, we'd be in a deep depression right now instead of a mild recession.
One has to wonder what the GOP talking points would have been then. example Obama lets an American Icon (GM) fail"..blah blah blah....
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If the GOP had it their way, we'd be in a deep depression right now instead of a mild recession.
Calling the current financial state of order a mild recession is severe naivety or blatant denial.
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Calling the current financial state of order a mild recession is severe naivety or blatant denial.
Denial/naivety is to ignore the progress that has been made within the last year. While the economy is still sluggish, compared to where we were mid 2008 through early-mid 2009 it's completely accurate. Most economic indicators are up significantly and statically the recession is over. The only area that hasn't improved is employment, and traditionally that always takes much longer to recover.

But sadly, I'm not optimistic at all about the future economy. It took 10+ years and a world war to completely recover from the last depression. This country had a lot going for it back then, but unfortunately we have very little going for us now.
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One has to wonder what the GOP talking points would have been then. example Obama lets an American Icon (GM) fail"..blah blah blah....
Exactly right. There is no pleasing the right wing. He's a dem. End of story. Circle the wagons, to the ramparts, take no prisoners.

Imagine if the guy was actually playing to the left wing of his party.
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False. Teleprompters were not present when he talked with the kids. Were set up later for a national address.

You can see in the video in question, he is not addressing his remarks to children, but to adults who might be viewing the speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVpOH4MGPBg&feature=related

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What, the Dubbers didn't put in copious miles stumping for Rr candidates? Amazing how Repubs are discovering all this "new" behavior for the first time.
My apologies if the teleprompters were "not present" when he spoke to the kids. However, the clip does not prove or disprove that, as you know. I must be watching too much of Jon Stewart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqzozejWuug&NR=1

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So? All of them do. Bush is history. Obama is present.
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Exactly right. There is no pleasing the right wing. He's a dem. End of story. Circle the wagons, to the ramparts, take no prisoners.

Imagine if the guy was actually playing to the left wing of his party.

Actually, I was quite impressed by the President's backing of nuclear power. It remains to be seen if that represents a real change, or is merely some sort of a political feint.
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Old 02-21-2010, 01:59 PM
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My apologies if the teleprompters were "not present" when he spoke to the kids. However, the clip does not prove or disprove that, as you know. I must be watching too much of Jon Stewart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqzozejWuug&NR=1

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So? All of them do. Bush is history. Obama is present.
Give me a break. On the video, O is addressing adults, not children. Listen to the words. Yeah, slander. A steady stream of bogus crap aimed at trashing the guy. It's the Rr way.

Bush is history, saints be praised. Rrs didn't whine about him stumping for candidates yet O is just a political animal with no substance for doing the same. If you can't see the twisted thinking behind that one, we'll just have to go our separate ways.
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Actually, I was quite impressed by the President's backing of nuclear power. It remains to be seen if that represents a real change, or is merely some sort of a political feint.
Not sure what he plans to do with the waste.

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