Teleprompter Wars - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

AustinsCE · #46 02-22-2010, 02:58 PM

Tesla had the power issue solved decades ago. But it's not as simple as all that. There's a monopoly on power, and those that maintain it are happy to have it. Nuclear or otherwise. Hell, there's even "green" coal that emits next to nothing. Illegal to mine it. It's not to the point of figuring out what form is best, still have to get the powers that be out of the way.

Chas H · #47 02-22-2010, 03:04 PM

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That is an attractive solution except for the fact that sooner or later a launch will fail. In the worst circumstance, as happened once with a vessel with a few pounds of plutonium aboard, the craft does a long, broad re-entry, leaving a smoking trail of its contents over a large area.

Nuclear powered satellites have been put into orbit since the 70's. The Soviet Union alone has launched over 35. I haven't read of any failed launches.
The incident you site was a satellite coming out of orbit. A missile shot straight into space is different. Plus I believe payload could be made to survive re-entry if there is a launch failure. The astronauts routinely survive re-entry.

JollyRoger · #48 02-22-2010, 03:57 PM

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It seems to me that this whole Teleprompter thing got started because the far right could find nothing about Obama to complain about. A number of objections to the way he does things was thrown out but this was the only one that got any traction.

For instance: Obama sneaks smokes. This was the number one issue for a week or so. It didn't poll well since a lot of right-wingers also sneak smokes at work. How could they gripe about "THE ONE" when all he was doing was something they themselves enjoyed?

When right-wing entertainers began to notice that Obama was a much, much better speaker than Bush it was tossed out there that Obama used a Teleprompter and this gave everyone a rally point. Not a sensible rally point, but some people will take what they can get.

The Teleprompter the President uses, by the way, will be there no matter if it is in use or not. It is, like the podium, bulletproof and doubles as a shield. Its' use was made manditory by the Secret Service after Reagan was shot, just like the Kevlar suit The President must always wear when in public.

The "teleprompter" meme is essentially racist. Obama is just another dumb [fill in the blank] who needs a machine in order to sound intelligent - that's all there is to their basic message.

Pooka · #49 02-22-2010, 05:47 PM

Jolly,

I live in a world, show-biz, where anything can be made to look or sound real. Advertising concepts are developed and sold to the public. In advertiser lingo, the consumer must be 'educated' about your message.

But after reading your post and thinking about it.... I think you are right.

Wow! Pretty sad, ain't it?

cmac2012 · #50 02-23-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinsCE

Tesla had the power issue solved decades ago. But it's not as simple as all that. There's a monopoly on power, and those that maintain it are happy to have it. Nuclear or otherwise. Hell, there's even "green" coal that emits next to nothing. Illegal to mine it. It's not to the point of figuring out what form is best, still have to get the powers that be out of the way.

Tesla made some wild discoveries and invented some nifty stuff but he did not invent a perpetual motion machine. Something has to provide the initial work to move the electrons. Energy is not lost, energy is conserved, something like that, a basic principle of physics I believe. IOW, can't get something for nothing. And the green coal thing sounds like a bit of a stretch. If it performed as well as you say and was available in abundance, I don't believe there'd be any stopping of the mining of it.

AustinsCE · #51 02-23-2010, 03:17 AM

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Tesla made some wild discoveries and invented some nifty stuff but he did not invent a perpetual motion machine. Something has to provide the initial work to move the electrons. Energy is not lost, energy is conserved, something like that, a basic principle of physics I believe. IOW, can't get something for nothing. And the green coal thing sounds like a bit of a stretch. If it performed as well as you say and was available in abundance, I don't believe there'd be any stopping of the mining of it.

I never said he did that????
But what if there were a way to harvest the power coming off say the Niagara falls? Like Tesla supposedly did? Or even if he didn't, why not do it? Or the discovery of 'ether', electricity being everywhere? These electromagnetic charging stations, guess who thought that up!

I know, the government doesn't lie, neither do monopoly men. They certainly don't suppress technology.

AustinsCE · #52 02-23-2010, 03:41 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/724170/posts
(Excuse the link, I know certain words cause foaming in certain individuals but the links were already compiled)

Low ash, low sulfur, high BTU, low emissions. Combined with the new scrubbing technologies, virtually emission free. Leading the charge in such fields, I believe, also in Utah!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/lippo.htm

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Moreover, the coal at Kaiporowitz Plateau is a kind of coal that is not
found "everywhere." It is very low sulfur, low ash - hence, low polluting -
coal, the kind in high demand for power plants, such as one being designed
for Ensenada, Mexico. That megawatt giant, presently on the drawing boards, will supply electricity across northern Baja, an area plagued by brownouts.

Had it not been taken off the world market, the logical source of coal for
the Baja plant would be the Kaiparowitz Plateau. Once mined it could be
transported by rail to the ports of Long Beach or Los Angeles, then by barge to Ensenada. Thanks to Clinton, there will be no exporting of Kaiparowitz coal, which means the facility's procurement people will have to look elsewhere for clean non-polluting fuel.

Only two other sources

Besides the Kaiparowitz Plateau, there are only two other known locations in the world where comparable coal is found in sufficient quantities to make
mining it worthwhile. Colombia in South America is one, but it'll be years
before the necessary mining and shipping infrastructure is built.

The other? You got it. Indonesia.

aklim · #53 02-23-2010, 11:16 AM

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Not sure what he plans to do with the waste.

That is the interesting question, isn't it? Maybe, if we can get NASA on board, it just might work out. Remember the old Sci Fi series, Space 1999? Dump it on the moon. Take research and improve our space fleet and send it there.

IIRC, back in 04, when the Johns were running, the promised NV that they would not build a waste repository in the Yucca mountains. A little short on the details of where they would put it since that state would NOT vote for them.

aklim · #54 02-23-2010, 11:20 AM

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I don't know, are you sure?

Has the stranglehold of the UAW been broken? Has management gotten its act together?

I tend to think so. After all, a Jap company across the street can build a SIMILAR car for $2000 less. In a Bentley, maybe $2000 isn't much. In a $20000 car, it is a huge amount to overcome. IOW, Toyota can build the same car, sell it for what you sell it and still be $2000 ahead. How do you overcome that gap.

Will it matter? The new company will either have a plan and work it out or it collapses. Sooner or later, something more efficient will come up. Of course, if you want to insist that we cannot bite the bullet today, we are not helping things. We are only prolonging the inevitable. We are also telling those companies that should they fail AGAIN, we will probably bail them out AGAIN.

aklim · #55 02-23-2010, 11:22 AM

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Yes I bought an 08 Impala. Wonderful car, rides great, handles fine, plenty of power, decent standard equipment, 5 year warranty, and has been very reliable since day one. You're correct about the interior to some degree, the dash is rather bland. But I don't have to spend a small fortune to maintain it as compared to some Euro import. Now I'm sure when compared a $50k Mercedes it's not as nice, but who needs those headaches and expense when the warranty runs out, not me.

I bought a 99 E300. What was the sticker price back then? It has served me well. I have over 280K on the clock and I haven't had all the electrical gremlins that were supposed to be happening. AC was the most expensive thing I had to fix and that was a compressor locking up. Had that happen on other cars too.

aklim · #56 02-23-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

That is an attractive solution except for the fact that sooner or later a launch will fail. In the worst circumstance, as happened once with a vessel with a few pounds of plutonium aboard, the craft does a long, broad re-entry, leaving a smoking trail of its contents over a large area.

And there is a chance that you will get hit by a bus tomorrow too. How many space flights have we had and how many failures?

aklim · #57 02-23-2010, 11:37 AM

Just a curiosity. Why do we care if Obama or someone from the GOP has teleprompters? I think the problem is that people are too stupid and want to see someone who impresses them with their speech. Would we vote Hitler in? He was a master orator. He would practice hand gestures and expressions, etc, etc and charm people. Is that what we want? Even in Star Trek DS9 there is the 48th Rule of Acquisition which states: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife. So why? Does a master orator guarantee that the person can do anything right?

In my personal life, whenever I see someone who speaks well and sounds good, I avoid them like the plague. Why? Because I don't want the risk of them sucking me into something I will regret. I have found it an excellent formula to avoid problems as most of the ones I avoid tend to sucker someone else. Good public speaking is a skill. Why would you master such a skill if not to con someone into your point of view? If you are such a speaker, can I trust that you won't ever try to con me?

Take Bush for example. Would I feel safer buying a used car from him or say Clinton? I'd buy from Bush. Why? Because without any outside help, he couldn't give directions from his yard to the bathroom without tripping up. OTOH, Clinton was a way better orator and I don't know if he would try sell me something I don't want.

Ara T. · #58 02-23-2010, 06:49 PM

Are we really arguing that the Republicans wouldn't have bailed out the banks? Bush actually started the bailouts.. it's not partisan politics, its Keynes' economic theory.

aklim · #59 02-23-2010, 06:50 PM

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Are we really arguing that the Republicans wouldn't have bailed out the banks? Bush actually started the bailouts.. it's not partisan politics, its Keynes' economic theory.

They weren't a majority since 06