Canada just voted the guy that put together their single payer system as man of the century.

Or healthcare is nearly the best in the world.
But millions of american citizens do not have access to it.

Isint it nice that our healthcare takes better care of a canadian than its own citizens ??

Its not about the quality of healthcare its about the availability.

And yes, we need to ram healthcare reform right down the throats of all the insurance companies making record profits durning a recession, while people are losing their homes because of skyrocketing costs.

You have been seduced by the facists.

Think about it, if your anti government, you are automatically pro facism.

You think Exxon, WalMart, etc would not take up the reigns if we the people let them go ??

This is a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Surely you're not saying that millionaire Canadian politicians like Danny Williams of Newfoundland can't be selfish dickwads too.

Well, that worked out for ya, didn't it?

I kept wondering.... Where was the beer? His last summit had beer and was a smashing success.

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Take up what reigns, like global carbon taxes? Or forced vaccinations? Newsflash: They already push for that with government support.

Government creates monopolies through regulation and starve competition. Libertarians/anarcho-capitalists do not favor corporatist control, rather total uninhibited competition. The complete opposite. You don't get it, and do not have the ability to comprehend it. You just swallow the same old tired socialist revolutionary rhetoric about government doing everything for you so you don't have to take responsibility for anything yourself and why you have yet to, in about 5 attempts, addressed why Exxon favors the GW and carbon tax fraud.

How is he a selfish dickwad by wanting to get the best care available to him? If he wanted it for free that would be a different story. You apparently missed the irony of someone with socialized healthcare going elsewhere for his treatment= socialized medicine is not the wonderful system we are being told it will be.

Idealogues and those with agendas they don't want to disclose always have a problem answering direct questions. That and the whole battle of wits with an unarmed person thing. What exactly is an anarcho-capitalist? My guess would be someone who believes in absolutely no (government) regulation of business?

Pretty much. It gets deep, though. You can read more at places like https://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mises.org and https://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/lewrockwell.com. But unlike the "other side", differing opinions regarding specific matters are not only allowed but encouraged. The only thing is with "us" there's always logic and truth. Of late, intellectual property is at the forefront of conversation.

I would never begrudge anyone health care they can afford. The US health care system may, in fact, be the best in the world - if you have money.

If I had a serious condition and could spare $1 million for its treatment, I guess there might be a few hospitals in other nations as good as or maybe better here and there than US hosptals - Britain, Germany, France, Japan - but I don't imagine any will be significantly better.

But most people don't have those sort of funds and, of course, medical debt is the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. Canada's system could well be better for the middle and lower classes.

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I get it far better than you do.
We already have " total uninhibited competition "
its called the black market.

Wanna buy a kidney ???
Wanna lose a kidney in your sleep ???

Get a clue you have been deluded into fighting for facism.

Your comments about socialism are tired and lame.
Lets go see what the swiss think about it.
Or all of the other social democracies that are surviving the recession better than we are.
And we all know how lazy socialists are.
And how horrible the products are from social democracies.
Like those horrible horrible older mercedes benzes from germany.


Your ideals lead directly to a corporate monarchy.

Bow to your new god.

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Exxon puts on a fasade of caring about the environment because
they make more money that way.

It didn't take long did it?

Oh well.

Crying "fascism" for whatever you oppose is truly evidence of a lack intellectual basis for your beliefs.

A LACK of governmental control is proof of fascism? Yeah, that is borne out by history.
Like I said in another thread, "fascist" is probably the least understood political label. It's only purpose ( other than to betray frustration by the user) is to end all intellectual debate, and make it a purely emotional issue.

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Oh yeah, the perfect, or at least enlightened leaders that we've deserved all along are going to show up then. I can hardly wait. If only our leaders could somehow match the quality and nobility of intellect and spirit of the populace. I just don't get it.

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I am more than pleased with the service I get from the USPS. Less than 50 cents to deliver a hand written note from California to New York? In a few days time?! Amazing. This is a great country after all.

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Ram it down their throats? Hell, "they" wrote the bill....

Jim

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The Summit Sideshow Democrats still face big political challenges in passing health legislation. By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
We now interrupt our previously scheduled health-care summit drama to take the nation back to the day after Scott Brown's Massachusetts's victory. Hoopla aside, the programming remains the same.

The thing to know about President Obama's health talkfest is that it had zero to do with Republicans or their ideas. The GOP came, it spiritedly debated, it left. The president never budged. He never intended to.

The Summit Show was designed by Democrats for Democrats, to give Mr. Obama an all-day stage to inspire and exhort his party to charge once more into the health fray. It's about "altering the political atmospherics," admitted one senior Democrat. Yet for all the talk of "jump-start," there's little to suggest the ugly politics of passage have changed.

The day after Mr. Brown's victory broke the majority's power, Democrats turned to New Strategy, Version 37, Part 12. It is now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's job to pass the Senate's Christmas Eve bill. It is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's job to pass retroactive "fixes" to that legislation through an unsightly "reconciliation" process that requires only 51 Senate votes.

The strategy is somewhat bully for Mr. Reid, who can afford to lose eight of his own members. It's meaningless for Mrs. Pelosi. If the speaker had the votes post-Brown to pass the Senate bill, we'd be living under ObamaCare. She didn't have them then, and yesterday's summit was a sideshow to the problems she has getting them now.

A few numbers: Mrs. Pelosi passed her health-care bill in early November, with three votes to spare. The one Republican yes has since bailed. On the Democratic side, one vote has left Congress, one has died, and one retires this week. A smaller Congress means Mrs. Pelosi only needs 216 votes. If all were equal to November, she's at 216.

Only it isn't November. It's nearly March, and the speaker is being asked to pass a bill vastly different from her own, in the wake of a crushing electoral defeat and in light of dire public-opinion polls.

Mrs. Pelosi has at least 11 Democrats with big problems with the Senate's flimsy language on publicly funded abortions. This is the same crew that nearly derailed her first bill, and whose threats at the time were serious enough to cause Mrs. Pelosi to throw over her liberals in favor of pro-life demands.

For many, this is a moral issue that can't be changed with Cornhusker kickbacks or "atmospherics." Rep. Bart Stupak, the Michigan Democrat who spearheaded the pro-life fight, has already declared the Senate bill "unacceptable." And the Conference of Catholic Bishops has no intention of now giving these pro-life Democrats an out.

Another reality is Mrs. Pelosi's many announced retirements. The conventional wisdom holds that some Blue Dogs who voted no the first time—say, Tennessee's John Tanner—might now be willing to stick it to their constituents as their last act in Congress. Maybe.

Mrs. Pelosi is surely more worried about retiring members who voted yes and are convinced that vote hastened their departure. Arkansas Rep. Marion Berry used his retirement announcement to rip the White House for pushing Blue Dogs into an electoral abyss. House Democrats leaving to run for the Senate—including Indiana's Brad Ellsworth or New Hampshire's Paul Hodes—might be more interested in, say, winning those races than clinging to their prior yes votes.

Speaking of Indiana, Mr. Reid's decision to go reconciliation adds to Mrs. Pelosi's problems. If retiring Sen. Evan Bayh votes no on reconciliation, is Mr. Ellsworth—running for Mr. Bayh's seat—going to vote yes? Democratic senators will claim to vote against reconciliation on technical grounds, but the public will view it as the disownment of the president's agenda. The pressure on House Democrats from states with senators who vote no will be incalculable.

Don't forget, too, the House members who have seen their district polls disintegrate since their first yes. No doubt they appreciated the president's spirit yesterday. Yet unless the summit drives a 30-point shift in public opinion, they retain good reason to not repeat their mistake.

The trillion-dollar question is how many votes Mrs. Pelosi had in reserve the first time. Yet here, too, March is no November. These members are now on record in opposition. They have benefited back home from those no votes. Why flip now?

Mrs. Pelosi has been effective at marshalling votes, and nobody should write her off. Yet it says plenty that she is demanding that Mr. Reid go first. Something big must change for her to move her members. Mr. Reid knows even reconciliation is no sure thing and is demanding that Mrs. Pelosi be the one to go first.
The next few days will provide a better sense as to whether the sight of 40 Washington pols summiting over CBO estimates is a game changer. Don't count on it. Talk is easy. Politics is hard.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704479404575087833312341178.html

Even Dennis Kucinich last night said he'd have a hard time voting for the Senate bill.