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aklim · #31 06-08-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

What would you say if it was an American soldier that was being tortured.

What if it was your son or daughter who died in Abu Ghraib ??

How would you feel about it then ??

Ask Daniel Pearl

tonkovich · #32 06-08-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Ask Daniel Pearl

uh, well, you see, he's dead. was killed in pakistan, i think, by some nutball muslim extremist types. did he come out in favor of waterboarding while he as alive? if not, he might not serve your argument too well. we could ask other dead people too, if you like. check with some psychics.

anyway, back on planet earth, we civilized people don't really enjoy mindless cruelty to others. especially if we (at least me) have been victims of it ourselves. something about hoping others don't ever have to suffer through the same crap that we did.

RichC · #33 06-08-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Ask Daniel Pearl

exactly !

Why dont you have a little talk with his parents and see what they think about torture.

RichC · #34 06-08-2010, 03:09 AM

What do Joseph Mengele and George Bush have in common ??

Experiments in Torture: Physicians group alleges US conducted illegal research on detainees

Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) today released evidence it says indicates that the Bush administration conducted "illegal and unethical human experimentation and research" on detainees' response to torture while in CIA custody after 9/11. The group says such illegal activity would violate the Nuremburg Code, and could open the door to prosecutions. Their report is based on publicly available documents, and explores the participation of medical professionals in the CIA's "enhanced interrogation program." Download the full report at phrtorturepapers.org.
Boing Boing spoke with the lead medical author of the report, Dr. Scott Allen, who is co-director of the Center For Prisoner Health and Human Rights at Brown University, and Medical Advisor to PHR.

cmac2012 · #35 06-08-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

obviously just a cover story, due to insufficient interrogation.

if they had been waterboarded, we would have learned the "real story".

loose lips sink ships, soldier!

Sir, yes sir!

aklim · #36 06-08-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

anyway, back on planet earth, we civilized people don't really enjoy mindless cruelty to others. especially if we (at least me) have been victims of it ourselves. something about hoping others don't ever have to suffer through the same crap that we did.

I see. The golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I guess the muslim extremists have made it clear as to ho they would have us do unto them so all bets are off as far as they are concerned.

aklim · #37 06-08-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

exactly !

Why dont you have a little talk with his parents and see what they think about torture.

Don't know if he was tortured and how much but we know his head was hacked off so, what does that tell you about the other side especially when they condone such behavior?

Txjake · #38 06-08-2010, 08:32 AM

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Wait, you're serious when you say courage, aren't you? This, a guy who will never be in harms way, never was unless you count the risk of being taught to fly a fighter jet at taxpayer expense of about $1 million, is a man of courage? He will have the most comprehensive bodyguard service in the world for the rest of his natural life, so I'm hard pressed to see the courage in taking his position. Pugnaciously stubborn, I'll give him that.

Meanwhile, Americans who actually do have the courage to go into harm's way will have a greater chance in future of being tortured when captured because the Dubbers' casual, arrogant form of courage.

Our people who have interrogated foreign fighters captured in Iraq and Afg. testify that many, many of them cite torture in Abu Gharib and Gitmo as a primary reason they joined the fray.

yes I do, and of course they do. terrorists read the same news sources we do, and if you don't think that they say what they need to gain sympathy, then you are gravely mistaken. PSYOP is what it is called and the terrorists are masters of it.

aklim · #39 06-08-2010, 09:14 AM

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yes I do, and of course they do. terrorists read the same news sources we do, and if you don't think that they say what they need to gain sympathy, then you are gravely mistaken. PSYOP is what it is called and the terrorists are masters of it.

What was the reason BEFORE Abu Gharib and Gitmo? There is always some reason they choose to latch to. Even the insane have a reason for doing something. Jeffery Dahlmer had his reasons too. Bottom line is they wanted to believe those reasons AND totally ignore what their own side does. Take RichC and JollyRoger. Everything the left does is pure and innocent and the right is total evil. If their own side burns down an orphanage in X'mas eve, I'll bet they would try to mitigate it somehow. What else can you expect of the muslim extremists?

tonkovich · #40 06-08-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

yes I do, and of course they do. terrorists read the same news sources we do, and if you don't think that they say what they need to gain sympathy, then you are gravely mistaken. PSYOP is what it is called and the terrorists are masters of it.

really? why haven't i converted to radical islam yet? hmm. (tho i have been letting my beard grow out. wait a minute, which way's mecca?)

JollyRoger · #41 06-08-2010, 02:23 PM

Unbelievable that men celebrate a president by the amount of torture he used.

cmac2012 · #42 06-09-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

yes I do, and of course they do. terrorists read the same news sources we do, and if you don't think that they say what they need to gain sympathy, then you are gravely mistaken. PSYOP is what it is called and the terrorists are masters of it.

Maybe. And maybe not. Imagine US citizens being similarly tormented by someone we considered evil incarnate. And on our own soil. Might some NRA members for life consider that they weren't going to stand for that?

cmac2012 · #43 06-09-2010, 03:51 PM

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Unbelievable that men celebrate a president by the amount of torture he used.

Mister, Dubya don't take no guff from no damn terr-ist.

aklim · #44 06-09-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Maybe. And maybe not. Imagine US citizens being similarly tormented by someone we considered evil incarnate. And on our own soil. Might some NRA members for life consider that they weren't going to stand for that?

What's your point? Do unto others.... rule? If so, they have already done unto us as they would have us do unto them. So if they told us how they would like to be treated, why do we care?

cmac2012 · #45 06-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Stop and think. The point is, why expect people to behave any differently that we would? He asserts that captured combatants are only saying it was Abu Gharib and Gitmo torture that motivated them to go to battle because he thinks that's what we want to hear. I'm saying that it's entirely reasonable that such a thing would motivate people to take up arms.