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#31 09-20-2010, 09:18 AM

Well, it's a new week and the sky is still falling.

LUVMBDiesels · #32 09-20-2010, 09:41 AM

OK, so judge Roger Vinson IS going to fast track the lawsuit brought by 18 states against the Heath Care Reform Act. That is true.

So I don't see how Rush using some stuff from Wikipedia as 'color commentary' is that big a deal. It is not like he got the main facts wrong. Sure it is embarrassing, but You mean to tell me everything in the HuffPost is 100% accurate?

I really don't care, not having listened to Rush in years, but isn't this grasping at straws?

aklim · #33 09-20-2010, 11:26 AM

Somebody got chumped and it wasn't Rushbo. It was the people on the left.

Rush is BY NO MEANS a news service so his stuff doesn't have to be accurate. His job is to demonize the right via tossing everything including the kitchen sink and he has done a great job of it for the particular audience. They don't consider facts important so telling them he was wrong does nothing but stops them making a fool of themselves.

In the meantime, Rush gets more and more publicity thanks to those that hate him. Hell, if it wasn't for the left wing idiots who keep talking about Beck, I probably wouldn't have even heard of him. So, guess who gets FREE publicity to further his career while the left thinks they have gotten the better of him? Guess who laughs all the way to the bank? For that kind of money, I'd allow you to make a fool of me all day long from 8-5. Hell, I'll even throw in Sat if it makes you feel better. As they say, even bad publicity is better than none.

PaulC · #34 09-20-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Mercedes Benz Mechanic straight out of mercedes school versus Mercedes Benz Master Mechanic with 20+ years experience.

Neurosurgeon straight out of med school versus Neurosurgeon with 20+ years experience.

those who want table scraps will get what they ask for. those who insist on the best will receive the best.

Your examples only work if all portrayed individuals perform at the best of their abilities. If the 20+ years guys have lost their motivation and don't give their best, they're worse than useless.

HuskyMan · #35 09-20-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Your examples only work if all portrayed individuals perform at the best of their abilities. If the 20+ years guys have lost their motivation and don't give their best, they're worse than useless.

tell you what, why don't we ask the passengers on US Airways flight 1549 whether they would have preferred a fresh outta flight school pilot or one that had both military training and thousands of hours of flight time in the cockpit? as Captain Sullenberger responded to Katie Couric's interview question:

Katie: "Did you think you could handle it??"

Sullenberger: " I KNEW THAT I COULD DO IT" (sounds like a man who is confident in his abilities).

He also stated that he felt that he had been training for this in flight crisis (engine out on take off = big trouble) his entire career. when faced with unbeatable odds, EXPERIENCE and TRAINING steps up and takes care of business. upstarts fresh outta flight academy are still learning to fly....same goes for any other field including medicine.

here's an idea; you stay with your fresh outta med school docs, I, on the other hand will go with the Dr. TRAINING + EXERIENCE = world class skill set.

Good luck, you'll need it.

aklim · #36 09-20-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

tell you what, why don't we ask the passengers on US Airways flight 1549 whether they would have preferred a fresh outta flight school pilot or one that had both military and thousands of hours of flight time in the cockpit. as Captain Sullenberger responded to Katie Couric's interview question:

Katie: "Did you think you could handle it??"

Sullenberger: " I KNEW THAT I COULD DO IT" (sounds like a man who is confident in his abilities).

He also stated that he felt that he had been training for this in flight crisis (engine out on take off = big trouble) his entire career. when faced with unbeatable odds, EXPERIENCE and TRAINING steps up and takes care of business. upstarts fresh outta flight academy are still learning to fly....same goes for any other field including medicine.

here's an idea; you stay with your fresh outta med school docs, I, on the other hand will go with the Dr. TRAINING + EXERIENCE = world class skill set.

Good luck, you'll need it.

Sullenberger is a totally different issue and I think you should realize that. Sullenberger was on that flight so he would damn well do everything he can to stay alive. Your Dr or Mechanic, OTOH isn't riding with you so, the equation is different.

Experience means little if the person is not motivated or talented. I'd take a fresh out of Med school grad over a Dr with 20 yrs experience if the former is motivate and the latter has his mind on his next sodoku move or his golf game. Yes, all things being equal, I'd take the 20 yr man.

PaulC · #37 09-20-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

tell you what, why don't we ask the passengers on US Airways flight 1549 whether they would have preferred a fresh outta flight school pilot or one that had both military training and thousands of hours of flight time in the cockpit. as Captain Sullenberger responded to Katie Couric's interview question:

Katie: "Did you think you could handle it??"

Sullenberger: " I KNEW THAT I COULD DO IT" (sounds like a man who is confident in his abilities).

He also stated that he felt that he had been training for this in flight crisis (engine out on take off = big trouble) his entire career. when faced with unbeatable odds, EXPERIENCE and TRAINING steps up and takes care of business. upstarts fresh outta flight academy are still learning to fly....same goes for any other field including medicine.

here's an idea; you stay with your fresh outta med school docs, I, on the other hand will go with the Dr. TRAINING + EXERIENCE = world class skill set.

Good luck, you'll need it.

Poor example - try to remember that an airplane pilot has a bit of a vested interest to land an airplane safely, given that his arse is aboard the plane.

Let's try this one - who would you prefer watching your back: A properly trained air traffic controller with but a few years experience who is alert and attentive to the traffic on his scope, or an air traffic controller with identical training credentials +20 years experience, who is fried and more interested in taking personal cellphone calls than keeping airplanes and helicopters away from one another...

HuskyMan · #38 09-20-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Sullenberger is a totally different issue and I think you should realize that. Sullenberger was on that flight so he would damn well do everything he can to stay alive. Your Dr or Mechanic, OTOH isn't riding with you so, the equation is different.

Experience means little if the person is not motivated or talented. I'd take a fresh out of Med school grad over a Dr with 20 yrs experience if the former is motivate and the latter has his mind on his next sodoku move or his golf game. Yes, all things being equal, I'd take the 20 yr man.

I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.

PaulC · #39 09-20-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.

You missed it - anyway have a nice day!

aklim · #40 09-20-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.

Yes, and the motivation to save his own skin has little to no effect? Sorry but when the pilot has a vested interest, that skews the comparison.

Really? Prove it then. I have yet to see or hear of a surgeon operating on himself while under sedation in the OR. Have you? Sorry, Flight 1549 is meaningless as a comparison. After all, win, lose or draw, the surgeon walks out of the OR alive. You, OTOH, may not

Agreed but without Focus, none of the experience means a damn.

HuskyMan · #41 09-20-2010, 01:14 PM

should a Doctor screw up one too many times, his medical malpractice insurance carrier may drop him, and if he continues to screw up, he may lose his license. more screw ups and he earns the right to be a defendant in a civil lawsuit. and, should he administer a drug illegally, i.e. Michael Jackson and the Propofol issue, he may find himself a defendant in a criminal action.

does a Doctor have a vested interest in performing surgical procedures properly? you tell me........

aklim · #42 09-20-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

should a Doctor screw up one too many times, his medical malpractice insurance carrier may drop him, and if he continues to screw up, he may lose his license. more screw ups and he earns the right to be a defendant in a civil lawsuit. and, should he administer a drug illegally, i.e. Michael Jackson and the Propofol issue, he may find himself a defendant in a criminal action.

does a Doctor have a vested interest in performing surgical procedures properly? you tell me........

Yes, he does have a vested interrst in performing it well. However, that has not stopped screw ups, has it? What you don't seem to want to understand is that he has LESS of a vested interste in your well being as Sullenberger. When Sullenberger screws up, his passengers die AS DOES HE. Remember, the last part is the most vital.

So, you tell me. Who has a larger vested interest in you? Sullenberger or the surgeon?

Sullenberger screws up, all die INCLUDING him
Surgeon screws up, he might get another chance but YOU suffer NOT him

Who has more interest in your well being?

cmbdiesel · #43 09-20-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Poor example - try to remember that an airplane pilot has a bit of a vested interest to land an airplane safely, given that his arse is aboard the plane.

Let's try this one - who would you prefer watching your back: A properly trained air traffic controller with but a few years experience who is alert and attentive to the traffic on his scope, or an air traffic controller with identical training credentials +20 years experience, who is fried and more interested in taking personal cellphone calls than keeping airplanes and helicopters away from one another...

I knew I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.....

PaulC · #44 09-20-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I knew I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.....

That movie has to be considered a classic at this point.

HuskyMan · #45 09-20-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yes, he does have a vested interrst in performing it well. However, that has not stopped screw ups, has it? What you don't seem to want to understand is that he has LESS of a vested interste in your well being as Sullenberger. When Sullenberger screws up, his passengers die AS DOES HE. Remember, the last part is the most vital.

So, you tell me. Who has a larger vested interest in you? Sullenberger or the surgeon?

Sullenberger screws up, all die INCLUDING him
Surgeon screws up, he might get another chance but YOU suffer NOT him

Who has more interest in your well being?

I've known a few pilots with military training in their background. believe me, some of them aren't afraid of dying in the least. they moved past the fear of dying a long long time ago.......