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Old 10-15-2010, 12:08 AM
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I use my rimfire firearms as training tools for my centerfire, I try to buy rimfires that mimic the centerfires I have. I shoot a lot, at today's ammo prices I'd be putting $10k+ down range a year in centerfire, I just can't afford that.
Have you tried reloading?

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I use my rimfire firearms as training tools for my centerfire, I try to buy rimfires that mimic the centerfires I have. I shoot a lot, at today's ammo prices I'd be putting $10k+ down range a year in centerfire, I just can't afford that.
I read an article on Shiloete Shooting years ago. They aurthor opened the article with an Elk hunting story. He said he shot that elk with a .22. Then went on to explain that all the practice with a .22 Shiloete shooting helped train him to take that shot. Also, he didn't have to deal with the recoil of a heavier caliber. So, it negated him developing a flinch.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:48 AM
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I read an article on Shiloete Shooting years ago. They aurthor opened the article with an Elk hunting story. He said he shot that elk with a .22. Then went on to explain that all the practice with a .22 Shiloete shooting helped train him to take that shot. Also, he didn't have to deal with the recoil of a heavier caliber. So, it negated him developing a flinch.
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How did he do that? I know that you have to have a certain amount of power to be legal for deer. IOW, I can't take a 22 to shoot a deer.

Rifles:
• Must have an overall 26” minimum length with 16” minimum barrel length.
• Are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders and
handguns only as indicated by the maps on page 19.
• It is illegal to possess any rimfire rifle larger than .22 caliber or any center-fire rifle
.22 caliber or larger during any gun deer season in shotgun only areas unless it is
unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case. Note: Rifled barreled shotguns and
muzzleloaders are not considered rifles for purpose of hunting deer.
• It is illegal to hunt deer with any air rifle, rimfire rifle, or any center-fire rifle less
than .22 caliber.
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How did he do that? I know that you have to have a certain amount of power to be legal for deer. IOW, I can't take a 22 to shoot a deer.

Rifles:
• Must have an overall 26” minimum length with 16” minimum barrel length.
• Are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders and
handguns only as indicated by the maps on page 19.
• It is illegal to possess any rimfire rifle larger than .22 caliber or any center-fire rifle
.22 caliber or larger during any gun deer season in shotgun only areas unless it is
unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case. Note: Rifled barreled shotguns and
muzzleloaders are not considered rifles for purpose of hunting deer.
• It is illegal to hunt deer with any air rifle, rimfire rifle, or any center-fire rifle less
than .22 caliber.
He didn't actually shoot the elk with the .22. He used a hipower rifle for that. He credited the shot with all the practice he did with his .22 rifle. I did have a roommate in college. He said he took more than a few deer in NY, with a .22 out of season. I think a shot just behind the ear. I also remeber seeing a BSA .22 rifle. It captured its spent shells. Also had threads on the barrel. They were suppose to be fairly popular in Austrailia. Also, different states have different rules. Here in Indiana, they recently allowed the use of centerfire rifles for deer hunting. They limit the caliber to over .375 or such and a short case length, 39mm I think.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:47 PM
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Have you tried reloading?
No time, and still can't get the cost down to .22. Plus I don't like putting the wear on the good guns. If I put that many rounds through say my Sig and 1911 I'd be buying new guns every few years.
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:18 PM
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I read an article on Shiloete Shooting years ago. They aurthor opened the article with an Elk hunting story. He said he shot that elk with a .22. Then went on to explain that all the practice with a .22 Shiloete shooting helped train him to take that shot. Also, he didn't have to deal with the recoil of a heavier caliber. So, it negated him developing a flinch.
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I'm sorry that the game warden didn't nail him for doing so, since that is illegal in all states. IMO, he should be arrested for confessing to the act in his article.
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How did he do that? I know that you have to have a certain amount of power to be legal for deer. IOW, I can't take a 22 to shoot a deer.

Rifles:
• Must have an overall 26” minimum length with 16” minimum barrel length.
• Are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders and
handguns only as indicated by the maps on page 19.
• It is illegal to possess any rimfire rifle larger than .22 caliber or any center-fire rifle
.22 caliber or larger during any gun deer season in shotgun only areas unless it is
unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case. Note: Rifled barreled shotguns and
muzzleloaders are not considered rifles for purpose of hunting deer.
• It is illegal to hunt deer with any air rifle, rimfire rifle, or any center-fire rifle less
than .22 caliber.
"IOW, I can't take a 22 to shoot a deer." Without violating the law!

Rest assured that that the .22lr rimfire has killed many, many whitetails! I have inlaws who have carried on a multi-generational tradition of poaching whitetails for sale to city hunters to tag and take home as trophies after spending the week drinking, partying and whoreing!

They affectionately refer to themelves as the "Greene Mountain Mafia" they are almost tribal, the extended family is in business in the surrounding area and they know every one who is in the area. They've been busted once in more that 75 years, one of the youngster's got conned by Federal Fish and Wildlife to sell and transport a black bear from Vermont into neighboring Troy NY and the whole thing came crashing down. Charged with Lacey Act violations 11 or 12 individuals indicted, they figured who would take the fall for time, 3 went to Federal Prison the rest got fines and probation.

A good whitetail doe or spikehorn sell for $7-800, a good buck say a nice 6 pointer $1200, and a trophey specimen up to $2000!

They kill anywhere between 2-500 animals a year I'll bet more than half with 22 lr the tool of choice being usually a scoped Ruger 10/22. They carry a couple 10 round mags with solid points and a couple with hollow points so they can use either depending on the circumstance.

The usual modius operendi is to get out early after a snowfall and find where the animals have crossed the road, very often they are standing on the nearest hillside. Depending on the cover they choose the solid or hollow point, hollow point prefered. Do a reconoiter driving by, turn around and then do a nice slow rolling stop into firing position. The shooter then puts 3-4 in the ribs, thats it. Shoot as many as you want or can then drive away. I've been in the truck with an elder and watched him kill five animals on the same hilside one right after another.

They wait a half hour or hour and then drive back and drop off a couple of younger guys. They jump out and hit the trail believe it or not much of the time the aniamals are lying their dead a hundred yards away which is as far as they could make it before drowning in their own blood. That's why the don't chase them, the animal hardly feels the hit and most of the time just keeps walking until it coughing up blood and drops.

These guys hunt every day as cover, rabbits using dogs, bobcats when there is snow, coyote in between! They know every nook and cranny of the local any have an incredible historical knowledge of the animal populations to match, and most evenings you can find them drinking down at the VFW with the sheriff and state game warden. To them it's their right and way of life. Ironicly even though the rest of the surrounding population has over time become less hunter freindly and more wildlife freindly; are pretty happy that with whitetail populations which have exploded to vermin levels, someone is thining the herds!

When I first met these folks the conversation quickly turned to outdoor activities including trout fishing, I’d casually mentioned that I tied flies an often used buck tails dyed all different colors, a couple months later when my significant other’s parents came down to visit in addition to probably 50 pounds of venison, a bushel of apples and a bag of Chef potatoes, was a half full plastic garbage bag containing about 60 prime Vermont whitetail “flags”!

The law regarding the use of small caliber rimfire is simply another lowest common denominator societal reaction. Once hunting became seasonal pastime for wannabe he-men, common sense and skill dropped by the wayside and everybody had to be protected from the stupidity of a few, it's the way the civilized world has been working for quite some time.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:00 PM
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"IOW, I can't take a 22 to shoot a deer." Without violating the law!

Rest assured that that the .22lr rimfire has killed many, many whitetails! I have inlaws who have carried on a multi-generational tradition of poaching whitetails for sale to city hunters to tag and take home as trophies after spending the week drinking, partying and whoreing!
IOW, I can't shoot a deer with a 22 cal unless I want to risk fines, losing hunting privileges, loss of weapon, vehicle and anything else in the commission of said crime.

Yes but do they have much to lose? That is the question. If you don't have much to lose, WGAS. OTOH, if you can lose a nice truck, hunting privileges, nice weapon, maybe not.

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