True, but the problem is the jokes on US.

Recent history does not support you on that.

I Used to Be Disgusted, Now I Try to Be Amused. ;)

Anyone against the Health plan had better not be cashing social security checks. Thats all I am saying on that!

Now, what's wrong with a little geezer welfare?

That's the dirty little secret that certain politicos don't want to raise. Obamacare and bailouts are bad, but don't you dare touch Medicare benefits or Social Security entitlements.

I will make you a deal, If I get a refund of the money that has been stolen from me since I was 16 years old in the name of SS and never have to have any other moneys stolen from me in the name of for my own good then I will never cash a SS check(which has to be stolen from someone else)

At some point someone (from one of the parties) is going to have to fix this mess by raising the eligibility age significantly, and probably also by means testing. Whoever finally does it is going to take a big political hit from the polygrip and viagra crowd, but it will have to happen eventually.

You should call the police!

Talk to your elder relatives and the 50+ million senior citizens who contributed to SS their whole life and are now are reaping the benefits of that program. I'm pretty sure most will rebuke your claims of "stolen money".

Personally, I kinda like the fact that for the most part we don't have 10's of millions of elderly senior citizens starving to death living in the streets. Well worth the 6% contribution we all make.

Given the greed and selfishness I see amongst many, I'm not certain they'd open up their homes and support their elderly parents/relatives. That's what families did before SS, and still do in nations that have no social benefits. Tell me, ARE YOU WILLING TO THAT in lieu of paying SS?

'stolen" is probably the correct word. SS "contributions were taken w/o permission and against his will. What better way to describe it? And now you want people to feel bad for taking " government money"--just like the bailouts. No comparison at all. We all were forced to contribute to SS; not so the bailouts for the corps--they paid nothing into that fund.

Thank you. And thats my point. If you have a problem with a national healthcare plan, you need to ask WHY we need one at all?

Simple, most Americans cant afford healthcare coverage!

Then you ask why is that? Look at the surgeons, look at the hospitals that charge $20 for a gauss (sp?) pad. Or $60,000 for a "routine" appendix removal. Actual price there, friend just had it and had no insurance.

Than ask why do these things cost so much? Happens when insurance companies blindly pay and dont say "Hey Mr. Hospital! Thats too much, we are not paying!!!".

And then you ask who "owns" the hospital "industry".

Ah, interesting little circle there. Actually, not a circle, but a money making industry that pays itself! And its controlled by private companies!

Stop paying taxes to then. No, serious here. Its actually in the constitution, or bill of rights. A little section about not being forced to serve the need of the government. In short it says that Federal (not state) income tax, which was introduced in WWII (I think) to cover war expenses and was suppose to be ended, is illegal.

The Answer:
According to the History of the Income Tax in our almanac, the federal income tax was first enacted in 1862 to support the Union's Civil War effort. It was eliminated in 1872, revived in 1894, then declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court the following year. In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system.



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Ah, thanks Billy. I thought it was to support a war.