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MS Fowler · #1 10-20-2010, 03:52 PM

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Where would anyone get the notion that the Social Security, particularly FICA withholdings are akin to a personal IRA or other retirement account?

If you're looking for an analogy, FICA withholdings are much more like insurance premiums. Which does raise the issue of a "means" based distribution system if the "insurance" being purchased is to prevent poverty when one retires.

Because the dems have sold SS to the people over the years as if it were a retirement pension.

MTI · #2 10-20-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Because the dems have sold SS to the people over the years as if it were a retirement pension.

Frankly it is a form of pension, funded by through a government insurance policy. but I don't believe any poltical party has said that what you put in is what you get, which would be more like an annuity vehicle such as an IRA account. The history of Social Security, both legislatively and legally, has been quite the opposite, since benefits can easily exceed contributions depending on one's longevity and likewise, survivor benefits can also exceed participant contributions. It's never been touted as a "savings" account.

Is there some particular Democrat that has made a contrary assertion?

Chas H · #3 10-20-2010, 06:04 PM

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Because the dems have sold SS to the people over the years as if it were a retirement pension.

Well, that's what it is. After paying 3 times more than any other country for healthcare, some folks simply have no more money to put away for retirement, so they rely on SS. Some folks can't afford healthcare insurance or an additional retirement plan. But those are just the lazy members of society, according to Republicans.

aklim · #4 10-20-2010, 06:09 PM

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After paying 3 times more than any other country for healthcare,

But those are just the lazy members of society, according to Republicans.

Perhaps so. However, if you want to make that comparison, who would you compare it to and how does it compare when you consider everything instead of just one narrow channel? How about the obesity issue where we are more obese than the next country in the list by more than 10%? Think that doesn't raise costs? If their govt taxes more here to subsidize that there, do you take that into consideration or do you just consider that one item?

Yes, we know it is election time and you are doing your darndest to spread the word to "Vote Democrat" as subtly as possible without saying it. We get it.

Chas H · #5 10-20-2010, 06:30 PM

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Perhaps so. However, if you want to make that comparison, who would you compare it to and how does it compare when you consider everything instead of just one narrow channel? How about the obesity issue where we are more obese than the next country in the list by more than 10%? Think that doesn't raise costs? If their govt taxes more here to subsidize that there, do you take that into consideration or do you just consider that one item?

Yes, we know it is election time and you are doing your darndest to spread the word to "Vote Democrat" as subtly as possible without saying it. We get it.

You don't get it and rarely ever have. All you've got is your strawman fantasies.

aklim · #6 10-20-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

You don't get it and rarely ever have. All you've got is your strawman fantasies.

Get what? That you are trying to be subtle about the "Vote Democrat" in the election? Tell me I am wrong. Tell me that you side has no issues that you can find after long and hard searching. Please do. Analyze all your posts. Tell me that I am wrong and do reference some of them, where you can. That would be more fascinating than you witty and pithy replies. I can honestly say that I side with neither party and that they are both crooks, albeit dressed in different colors. Can you? Perhaps you are a "Closet Republican" but I can't tell that from your posts.

Tell me that I am wrong when I ask you to fairly compare the cost instead of simply cherry picking what you want to compare. Show me that you have done a cost comparison. I could say that the coffers in some country are swelled up by taxes in another area and thus they can afford to subsidize medical care and in so doing, it depresses the cost of medical care so that your comparison makes sense. Tell me that we are not more obese than any country in the world and that it doesn't make a difference in cost. I can cite you quite a few costly items that obesity causes, that is, unless you care to dispute the effect of obesity?

Chas H · #7 10-20-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Get what? That you are trying to be subtle about the "Vote Democrat" in the election? Tell me I am wrong. Tell me that you side has no issues that you can find after long and hard searching. Please do.

Tell me that I am wrong when I ask you to fairly compare the cost instead of simply cherry picking what you want to compare. Show me that you have done a cost comparison. I could say that the coffers in some country are swelled up by taxes in another area and thus they can afford to subsidize medical care so that your comparison makes sense.

You are wrong.

aklim · #8 10-20-2010, 06:53 PM

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You are wrong.

So your contention is that Republicans are the devil and Democrats are pure saints?

Or is it that you are not cherry picking an item to compare and medical costs are the one and only issue when it comes to cost?

I await your next few uttered syllables as though they were gold. Although an elaboration would be really helpful to understand what you are saying, that is, unless that is all you really have.

PS. Do try to be as vague as you can so you get total deniability later on when asked to quantify what you just said.