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Old 11-15-2010, 11:45 PM
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What do you think, evergreen or deciduous? Would you pay (after tax incentives) $20 - $25k for a small car that never needs a drop of gas, but has just a 100-mile range and has to be plugged in at night?



Could you live with it as your sole vehicle? Could you hack dealing with "range anxiety"?



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Old 11-15-2010, 11:56 PM
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In a heart beat. Currently I drive 5 miles round trip to work. The job I' looking at is 50 miles round trip. If I take a road trip I'll rent a car. I cannot remember the last time I drove more than 100 miles in a day.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:59 PM
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I'd buy it.. My daily commute is under 100 miles. But when electric cars get into the 2-300 range I'd seriously consider.

as far as range anxiety I think the manufactures of these cars need to offer some sort of range extending trailer. It could work like the chevy volt does but use a diesel instead and not suck like the volt.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:01 AM
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In reality, it's more like a potential third or forth vehicle.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:13 AM
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I wouldn't mind this as a second vehicle, but not very apartment-complex friendly, which is where a lot of citygoers live. Also, think about traffic...that 100 mile range might become a problem in 10 miles of stop and go (a typical commute from my place to center city Philly) which can take an hour of slow rolling, sudden stops, harsh acceleration, etc. Great concept for the audience it fits though!
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:16 AM
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I wouldn't mind this as a second vehicle, but not very apartment-complex friendly, which is where a lot of citygoers live. Also, think about traffic...that 100 mile range might become a problem in 10 miles of stop and go (a typical commute from my place to center city Philly) which can take an hour of slow rolling, sudden stops, harsh acceleration, etc. Great concept for the audience it fits though!
Battery life is affected by cold - the heater/defroster is electric - throw in a rush hour fender-bender on the Schuylkill...
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I think it would be a great 2nd car for my lifestyle. The only concern would be battery replacement.

Also, the rapid charging station they push on you is a total racket. They contracted an aerospace company to do the installs exclusively. They don't sell the equipment separately and they don't let you choose your own licensed electrician. Total out the door is around $2400 for about $700 worth of equipment.

What they don't say is that the car plugs in directly to an outlet and will charge just fine over night on it's own.
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Would you buy it if it's cost was not subsidized?
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:37 AM
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i typically drive over 200 miles a day so it ain't happenin here.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:43 AM
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useless toy. if I would/could use an electric car, I'd get one of the hyper golf cart based cars like the ones built in OK & TX. No way I'd depend on one for day to day commuting.
I prefer my '62 Dodge Powerwagon....
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:54 AM
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What do you think, evergreen or deciduous? Would you pay (after tax incentives) $20 - $25k for a small car that never needs a drop of gas, but has just a 100-mile range and has to be plugged in at night?

Could you live with it as your sole vehicle? Could you hack dealing with "range anxiety"?
Price-wise, it's doubtful. I could get by with one for me alone, there's no way the Mrs. could ever get away with anything smaller than a minivan (probably really needs a full size van or Suburban), so as a 2nd vehicle it would work. I do less than 50 miles/day between my commute, daily errands and dropping some kid(s), somewhere(s), sometime(s) for something(s). I could get away with a 4-seater GEM if it they were street legal here.

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Would you buy it if it's cost was not subsidized?
Definitely no.
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I expect to see a few of them on the side of the road, discharged.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:25 AM
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Would you buy it if it's cost was not subsidized?
I wouldn't even consider one until/unless the fuel savings offset the price difference from a conventional car. For about $5000 I can buy a perfectly good used small car that would give reliable service for a short commute. You would need to save a lot of fuel to justify a $30K economy car with a limited range. Some people will buy them and they will eventually get to the point where they are cost competitive for a larger number of people.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:36 AM
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I think that they may actually be a good used car value, particularly if upcoming electric vehicles offer significantly improved range. A second-generation Leaf that offers a 200-mile range will knock the stuffing out of the resale of a first-gen Leaf.

Just don't have your name on the title when the battery pack goes fzzzt...
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:44 AM
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I think that they may actually be a good used car value, particularly if upcoming electric vehicles offer significantly improved range. A second-generation Leaf that offers a 200-mile range will knock the stuffing out of the resale of a first-gen Leaf.

Just don't have your name on the title when the battery pack goes fzzzt...
Yup, it might be worth considering when the used price hits the $5-10K range (assuming battery life isn't a major issue).

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