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The Swede · #**121** 02-07-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Now, that's a >GOOD ONE< Kuan!

I dig your sense of humor!

Your a good Christian man and have a wicked sense of humor -- No ladyfriends???

mgburg · #**122** 02-08-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

~Changes in Latitude-Changes in Attitude.~

In my Coulture/Family circle, it is considered a disgrace to Not help a family member/freind who is down on their luck.

Perhaps this is why the Asian community has a more cohesive approach than some individuals in the States. But then again, Asians have suffered from more oppression than Americans have, So perhaps this is why they have adopted the 'Together we stand-Devided we fall' mentality.

Bad things sometimes happen to good people, and having human compassion is worth way more than money.

Sir: What your culture teaches and practices is noble. And, because of the resources you have available for everyone to partake of is extremely limited compared to the culture in the US. Therefore, different methods that fit different situations. What works well, and without interference from outsiders, works wonderfully for your culture.

Here, in the US, there are MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES available and until one has exhausted all, he hasn't tried. This is what our culture is all about.

Many want to come to the US to partake of its wealth and glamore. But, even those that have been born and bred here realize it's nothing more than what's been shown to them on TV or through other sources of media. Oh sure, there's Donald Trump. But, knowing what little of him that I do, I wouldn't care for his money or the way he came by it just 'cause I know my level of comfort would be exceeded by some of the stuff he's done. And, if even he can't see that pile of decomposing cats on top of head is the most rediculous thing he could possibly wear, just what would possess me to want to be like him?

Now, getting back on topic...what works in your country (Singapore, correct?) won't fit into the puzzle of the United States...at least in the majority of the states anyways. In individual cases, in individual neighborhoods, at individuals meetings, maybe. But in an open-street enviroment? I don't think so.

And here's the other situation (speaking of streets). Your example might be of someone squatting on the edge of a sidewalk, people WALKING BY and working a market and such.

We're talking about people, standing on traffic islands, designed to seperate vehicles traveling in opposing directions. Standing in areas where the drivers are SUPPOSE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC and not digging around for pocket change.

Your person is on a sidewalk.
Our "legit begger" is downtown, begging from the sidewalk. Or, not running out into rush-hour traffic.

The bogus "beggers" are not dressed "right" and are setup for "hit-and-run" begging...having a car parked in a closeby lot.

Comparing apples and oranges has never worked and yet, when the attempt is made, it still fails the test.

Skid Row Joe · #**123** 02-08-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Sir: What your culture teaches and practices is noble. And, because of the resources you have available for everyone to partake of is extremely limited compared to the culture in the US. Therefore, different methods that fit different situations. What works well, and without interference from outsiders, works wonderfully for your culture.

Here, in the US, there are MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES available and until one has exhausted all, he hasn't tried. This is what our culture is all about.

Many want to come to the US to partake of its wealth and glamore. But, even those that have been born and bred here realize it's nothing more than what's been shown to them on TV or through other sources of media. Oh sure, there's Donald Trump. But, knowing what little of him that I do, I wouldn't care for his money or the way he came by it just 'cause I know my level of comfort would be exceeded by some of the stuff he's done. And, if even he can't see that pile of decomposing cats on top of head is the most rediculous thing he could possibly wear, just what would possess me to want to be like him?

Now, getting back on topic...what works in your country (Singapore, correct?) won't fit into the puzzle of the United States...at least in the majority of the states anyways. In individual cases, in individual neighborhoods, at individuals meetings, maybe. But in an open-street enviroment? I don't think so.

And here's the other situation (speaking of streets). Your example might be of someone squatting on the edge of a sidewalk, people WALKING BY and working a market and such.

We're talking about people, standing on traffic islands, designed to seperate vehicles traveling in opposing directions. Standing in areas where the drivers are SUPPOSE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC and not digging around for pocket change.

Your person is on a sidewalk.
Our "legit begger" is downtown, begging from the sidewalk. Or, not running out into rush-hour traffic.

The bogus "beggers" are not dressed "right" and are setup for "hit-and-run" begging...having a car parked in a closeby lot.

Comparing apples and oranges has never worked and yet, when the attempt is made, it still fails the test.

All correct.

We saw what happened to the street beggar with the voice - he was detained and back in police custody inside of 10 days after he interfaced with his 'support group' of family members. Then, within a week he was shipped-off to some rehab center where he admitted to heavy alcohol AND illegal drug use AFTER being saved by society.

There's a reason why these guys aren't being supported by family members - they've nuked their relations with them. Now, many are on the dangerous streets with total strangers - since their own family will not interface with their past demonstrated behaviors.

They don't belong on the streets, that's not helping them with their futures one iota. They need to be confined in a program designed to accomplish rehabilitation, versus the streets. Personally, I do what I can to facilitate this in happening.

mgburg · #**124** 02-09-2011, 04:46 AM

Let's take a look at the current "Begger-du-Jour" - the now infamous Mr. Ted Williams.

How's the handouts working for him?

Let's see where this "fairy tale" finally leads everyone...then we'll know for sure, at least one story will have some sort of end to it.

What it will be is anyone's guess at this time.

el presidente · #**125** 02-09-2011, 09:45 AM

There should be a new, progressive government program to help the beggars.

Txjake · #**126** 02-09-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

There should be a new, progressive government program to help the beggars.

there is, it's called "Get A Job"

PaulC · #**127** 02-09-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

There should be a new, progressive government program to help the beggars.

Nah, frick 'em. They're all just lazy.

The Swede · #**128** 02-09-2011, 11:32 AM

Chop 'em up for dog food. Remember all life is precious.

Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and consumed the two former captains of fifty with their fifties; but now let my life be precious in thy sight.
2 Kings 1:14

chilcutt · #**129** 02-09-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Sir: What your culture teaches and practices is noble. And, because of the resources you have available for everyone to partake of is extremely limited compared to the culture in the US. Therefore, different methods that fit different situations. What works well, and without interference from outsiders, works wonderfully for your culture.

Here, in the US, there are MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES available and until one has exhausted all, he hasn't tried. This is what our culture is all about.

Many want to come to the US to partake of its wealth and glamore. But, even those that have been born and bred here realize it's nothing more than what's been shown to them on TV or through other sources of media. Oh sure, there's Donald Trump. But, knowing what little of him that I do, I wouldn't care for his money or the way he came by it just 'cause I know my level of comfort would be exceeded by some of the stuff he's done. And, if even he can't see that pile of decomposing cats on top of head is the most rediculous thing he could possibly wear, just what would possess me to want to be like him?

Now, getting back on topic...what works in your country (Singapore, correct?) won't fit into the puzzle of the United States...at least in the majority of the states anyways. In individual cases, in individual neighborhoods, at individuals meetings, maybe. But in an open-street enviroment? I don't think so.

And here's the other situation (speaking of streets). Your example might be of someone squatting on the edge of a sidewalk, people WALKING BY and working a market and such.

We're talking about people, standing on traffic islands, designed to seperate vehicles traveling in opposing directions. Standing in areas where the drivers are SUPPOSE TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC and not digging around for pocket change.

Your person is on a sidewalk.
Our "legit begger" is downtown, begging from the sidewalk. Or, not running out into rush-hour traffic.

The bogus "beggers" are not dressed "right" and are setup for "hit-and-run" begging...having a car parked in a closeby lot.

Comparing apples and oranges has never worked and yet, when the attempt is made, it still fails the test.

I always found that thingy on top of Trumps head very disturbing. Really.

Skid Row Joe · #**130** 02-09-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Let's take a look at the current "Begger-du-Jour" - the now infamous Mr. Ted Williams.

How's the handouts working for him?

Let's see where this "fairy tale" finally leads everyone...then we'll know for sure, at least one story will have some sort of end to it.

What it will be is anyone's guess at this time.

Downhill - that's his MO.

HuskyMan · #**131** 02-09-2011, 02:12 PM

There are beggars and then there are beggars. For me, the emotion of seeing a homeless veteran hits me right in the gut. If they are up for it, I"ll take them to a restaurant and buy them lunch or dinner anytime anyplace. And, sadly, many of them choose to remain on the streets.....

PaulC · #**132** 02-09-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

There are beggars and then there are beggars. For me, the emotion of seeing a homeless veteran hits me right in the gut. If they are up for it, I"ll take them to a restaurant and buy them lunch or dinner anytime anyplace. And, sadly, many of them choose to remain on the streets.....

Nope, sorry, can't make that kind of distinction, lest we humanize these people.

Skid Row Joe · #**133** 02-09-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

There are beggars and then there are beggars. For me, the emotion of seeing a homeless veteran hits me right in the gut. If they are up for it, I"ll take them to a restaurant and buy them lunch or dinner anytime anyplace. And, sadly, many of them choose to remain on the streets.....

Taking them to a restaurant, have you ever delved into any of these "homeless veteran's" lives to find out what their real problems, and real profiles were? Then, monitored any of them afterward? The reason I ask, is because the ones I see are obviously scammers - too lazy to get a job. If they needed help, why aren't they getting it by some other means, instead of panhandling the streets?

I would suggest driving them to a shelter or a church for food and help. Since those organizations are specifically set-up to actually help a street person. Provided you can get one in your car of course.

The Swede · #**134** 02-09-2011, 02:41 PM

Just punch them in the face and drag them in, works every time!

Fulcrum525 · #**135** 02-09-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

.... And, sadly, many of them choose to remain on the streets.....

So if they choose to live there how about we pay them to clean up the inevitable litter that ends up on the streets?

Seems like a win win lest the general public take advantage of the fact and begin to litter excessively (Not that many don't do that already

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