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Chas H · #16 11-26-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

How many times was he acquitted before this verdict? The trial took place (by design) in a heavy liberal district. It should get booted in appeal.

There's a "heavy liberal district" in Texas?

#17 11-26-2010, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

There's a "heavy liberal district" in Texas?

Yup, in that part of TX they actually fire a warning shot.

Jim B. · #18 11-26-2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

How many times was he acquitted before this verdict?

It sounds like you know little about how criminal law works in this country.

I know next to nothing about this case as regards what happened historically in court;

BUT:

If he was acquitted by a jury 12-0 (unanimously) on all the charges, it's OVER,and he walks.

And if acquitted 12-0 (unanimously) on ANY charge, that charge is then gone, he walks on it....

BUT,

if it was a "HUNG JURY", ie, 11-1 or 6-, etc on any charge, the Prosecutor has the right to refile, over and over, and try the case again, over and over, and it is NOT "double jeopardy" or violative of his Constitutional Rights..

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

The trial took place (by design) in a heavy liberal district. It should get booted in appeal.

WHAT ???!!

Are you saying convicted criminals in that state can get their convictions tossed out on appeal just because they are Republicans?

From some of the things I have heard about that place, I would actually would not be that terribly surprised.

Jim B. · #19 11-26-2010, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

There's a "heavy liberal district" in Texas?

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Originally Posted by Craig

Yup, in that part of TX they actually fire a warning shot.

HAW !!!!!!

t walgamuth · #20 11-26-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Why would they? Far far more of them in power than Dermocrats - do what he did, - and far more money is involved with them, big corporate capaign donations, and lobbyists.

Our democracy has become little more than an influence-peddling plutotocracy.

Money rules everything. Corporate lobbyists themselves write many of the laws that affect or regulate their masters, who in turn fund the campaigns of the Congressmen who are supposed to represent US, the people.

Many or the Republican voters permit it because the politicians know how to push the single-issue buttons that mesmerize them, ie, "abortion", "Gun control", "family values", the flag, claim for themselves the exclusive mantle of "patriotism", appeal to paranoia by yelling about communism, socialism, high taxes, security, and "if we don't fight them over there, we will have to fight them over here," etc etc.

You have captured it in a nutshell. The biggest threat to our country is the pervasive corruption of our political system by big money.

Mike D · #21 11-26-2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Yup, in that part of TX they actually fire a warning shot.

Now don't get confused with a "miss" being a "warning shot".

Us older fellers don't have the eyesight and steady hands we used to have.

Txjake · #22 11-26-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Yup, in that part of TX they actually fire a warning shot.

into your knee...........

Honus · #23 11-26-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

How many times was he acquitted before this verdict?

Zero. Once a criminal defendant is acquitted, the Double Jeopardy Clause says that's the end of it. No retrial for the same offense.

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...It should get booted in appeal.

On what grounds?

Sev · #24 11-26-2010, 08:09 PM

"the hammer" has been 'nailed'

MBlovr · #25 11-26-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

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Our democracy has become little more than an influence-peddling plutotocracy.

Money rules everything. Corporate lobbyists themselves write many of the laws that affect or regulate their masters, who in turn fund the campaigns of the Congressmen who are supposed to represent US, the people.

It really is that simple. And when you think about the proportion of the nations wealth that is controlled by the people who intend to keep it that way it doesn't take long to figure out that we are screwed with the status quo.

mgburg · #26 11-26-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

How many times was he acquitted before this verdict? The trial took place (by design) in a heavy liberal district. It should get booted in appeal.

His lawyers tried running that as an excuse to gut the trial before Day 1. It was decided "Tuff Luck. On with the trial and off with his head!" So that won't work in appeal.

The "Tuff Luck." is correct...the "OWHH" are my words...

Jim B. · #27 11-26-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Now don't get confused with a "miss" being a "warning shot".

Us older fellers don't have the eyesight and steady hands we used to have .

I bought the local paper in the small town in Northern California (5,000 people)
a week ago when I was there having my Mercury Grand Marquis serviced at the Ford Mercury dealer where I had bought it.

There was an ad in it from the town's jewelry store:

It read:

"As we grow older, our eyesight weakens.

This requires BIGGER DIAMONDS"

retmil46 · #28 11-27-2010, 01:49 AM

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Delay is a jerk, regardless of which party he was associated with.

Pooka · #29 11-27-2010, 10:13 PM

DeLay was tried in Austin because it is the state capital and he broke a state law. It is the job of the DA in Travis County to bring charges against lawmakers if they break laws in Texas.

The DA there, Ronnie Earle who is now retired, has also sent a number of Dems to jail. You don't hear the Republicans mention this since it destroys their 'it is so unfair' argument.

DeLay also had Dick DeGuerin as an attorney. Since he is considered one of if not the best criminal lawyer in the state it will be hard for DeLay to argue that he was not represented correctly.

Pooka · #30 11-27-2010, 10:16 PM

As far as I can tell DeLay has not had any charges against him dismissed. He was looked into by the Justice Dept. for his involvement with a convicted lobbiest that sent two other Congressmen to prison, but DeLay was never charged with anything concerning that.

There is a difference between never being charged with something and being found not guilty of it.