Hey Kerry I'm really not trying to be a smart a$$ because I know you have been educated somewhat and your an educator of philosophy so is it too much for me to ask that you refrain from what appears as intellectual dishonesty?

It was you who mis-characterized for effect!

In your haste it appears that you desired to conflate the two sentences into one. The first I spoke metaphorically regard the relationship between the constant and change, it was plain and simple! The second sentence was a very simple statement expressing my opinion that the motivations on either side of such an argument are more or less honorable dependent on the subjectivity of the observer.

You made the claim based on your read and your interpretive acumen that therefore "So now homosexuals are not just disgusting but actual agents of the cosmic imperative towards chaos"

And now you appear to rhetorically question whether the term you invented 'agents of cosmic chaos' and assigned, should "be a compliment of some kind". You invented it you should be obligated to tell everyone else how it should be taken!

Later in the same statement you seem again the rhetorically question how “we” should now take "the wish to have satisfying socially sanctioned long term sexual relationships directionless" this is again an invention of your own mind as you seem unable to distinguish between the reality that the only cosmic "constant" is chaos which I have described as "without certainty or direction"

It appears that you have now elected to attempt to apply what defines the penultimate cosmos to a feeble and insignificant element within what is nothing more than one of the myriad momentary random gyrations which while in existence have a direction and are therefore incompatible with the word you have assigned to the "directionless", but within the infinitely broader "without certainty or direction " cosmic chaos represent no direction.

It's as if you are attempting to thwart reason by claiming that the momentary particular movement of a sub-atomic particle, within an atom, within a molecule, within a substance, within an object, within a ball, bouncing down a mountainside is in effect and for any reasonable purpose and understanding anything other than "directionless" in the broad context of the universe!

Seems like it's dangerously close to becoming myopically lost within one's own navel in a Sisyphean search for the villainy responsible for societal inequity past and present, real and imagined.

Or a farce!

Do you own a Mercedes or are you only an aspirant?

Does anyone know what churches probibit divorced members or limit their participation in church events/function?

I know the catholics need permission to get divorced/married but I am currious if they will still ccept you as a member, give communion. ... To a divorced people who did it without the blessing of the church.

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I'm not a Catholic so hopefully someone who is will answer your questions, but knowing a few my understanding is that to get married in the church you need the priest's blessing, there is no divorce permission to be had for all intents and purposes, annulment is the only option, and getting divorce precludes someone from receiving communion. Unless you’re a Kennedy of course!

There's what you wrote. The alternatives are the status quo and the cosmic imperative towards chaos. Since you ascribe motivations to both sides and it seems unlikely that defenders of patriarchy are the ones moving towards chaos, the only alternative available is that you intended to convey that the homosexual equality agenda is a part of the cosmic imperative towards chaos as opposed to defending the status quo.

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Marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic church and divorce is forbidden. I'm pretty sure reason to be denied the Eucharist. Some Protestant churches also deny divorce. C.S. Lewis had a hell of a time finding an Anglican priest willing to marry him to a divorced woman. The bishop officially denied the marriage and Lewis found a renegade priest to perform the marriage. So much for Lewis' 'conservative values'.
I'm pretty sure divorce is strictly forbidden within Mormonism. Most of their most sacred rites revolve around marriage and it is viewed as eternal. They put a lot of money into defeating gay marriage proposals.

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....or John Kerry......(the one that served in VietNam, btw)

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i certainly don't aspire to own a soapbox or a pulpit.

more importantly, i certainly don't hold on to an outdated patriarchal institution like marriage. i'd rather hold on to another old mercedes, like my departed 126, or the late 108, which i am well aware were both outdated and impractical anachronisms, which time and progress and knowledge had overtaken. (but hey, they were just cars.)

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I think the point I was getting at was that although the various churches do not agree with divorce, given the divorce rate the various churches are not prohibiting divor ed peoeple from participating along the line of a dont ask dont tell. Some what hypocritical given their stance on homosexuality and their political involvement.

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It's don't ask don't tell in the Catholic church. I know lots of Catlicks who are divorced and still take communion. You don't have to bring your marriage license to the altar to get a biscuit. When I was a kid we went so far as to follow the old rule that you didn't take communion unless you'd been to confession first
More and more catholics are becoming what a cousin of mine calls "cafeteria" catholics. Accepting those doctrines they believe in and quietly rejecting those they don't. They eventually become "culturally Catholic" rather than spiritually Catholic, in much the same way that many Jews maintain traditional religious practices but are in reality agnostic. I suspect catholicism isn't the only organized christian faith that is experiencing this.

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That is what I suspected. I believe that is the churches were as adamant about divorce as they are about gay marriage, they would loose half of their customers and as Aklim always said, it's about the money. They need the dues to keep in business and if they loose half of their customers, making ends meet will be quite a but more of a challenge.

This is yet another reason I have no interest in organized religion.

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Good points.

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Use the`Force Luke Skywalker.... Use the force...

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