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chilcutt · #31 12-05-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barry123400

It is hard for the average individual even after almost a full lifetime as in my case to make meaningful conclusions in these areas. Although there is little doubt in my mind that the governments at all levels in north america are assuming more power and control in almost all areas of the economy.

Actually there presense is growing very fast in response to the almost continious bush fires throughout the economy. Historically when a vaccum was formed it was always generally naturally filled in. There may be far too much interference presently to follow historic patterns. The efforts and money instead are perhaps being spent to prop up unsubstainable practices .

The past systems of checks and balances seem to be circumvented more and more as time moves along as well. The governments are either going to be successful or format perhaps the biggest crash or change ever in north american history eventually.

Technically the ideal of a free market type of economy may be history at some point as well. The concept it is already damaged to some extent now in my opinion feels about right.

The average standard of living has improved substantually over the years as well though. Or at least fairly steadily in my lifetime. It is almost like we demand the same thing to contiinue straight ahead. Even if the realities are it is not economically possible.

We are also entered into the period of finding out if the increased standards of living we have already experienced have been paid for up to now. The best face I can put on that is they may have been by the loss of our industrial base as it once was. Yet that may only have been a partial payment.

If we have experienced horrific industrial losses just to enable this it is almost criminal or the most severe short sighted outlook by people deemed responsible by the electorate. Whatever happened to common sense.

We canadians for example are reciently criticised by the united nations for alowing poverty to exist in so wealthy a country. Like most north americans I row my own boat with very little feeling of responsibility towards others outside our family. If nothing else this gets a class system started or reinforced. The propaganda has enabled this.

Yet when visiting larger canadian cities seeing people living in the streets and children with so litttle oportunity is somewhat distressing. I am only too well aware that my generation absorbed a large percentage of the wealth. We also seemingly allowed the economic destruction to occur. Why we did not demand more from our elected representatives was a failing of signifigant proportions by us as well. Instead there was encouragement to get as much as you wanted by the individual.

You give a very solid, and honest view. Thank-You for responding.

mpolli · #32 12-05-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ashedd

I have been wanting to buy gold bullion for awhile now. I think the smallest amount to buy is like $5000 worth, I can't seem to cough up that much money. Do you think acquiring good pieces of gold jewelry/coins would serve the same purpose?

Just buy a gold ETF such as GLD. You can buy it like a stock. Keep in mind it is taxed like gold, as a collectible, not an investment.

ashedd · #33 12-05-2010, 09:11 PM

Thanks for the info. I didn't know about that ETF.
My problem with it would be not being able to lay hands on my gold.

RichC · #34 12-06-2010, 03:50 AM

Some people hide from the truth for so long that they forget what it looks like.

Yes, the united states is defiantly in decline, there is no doubt.

We have followed the same path as many other cultures that have suddenly fallen.
ie.. Roman, Mayan.

Every statistic mentioned in the article is true and can be verified.
I checked most.

Within the next 5 to 10 years there will be water, food, and oil shortages.

Our financial system has been undermined by rich, and people are losing faith in the dollar, and that is its only backing.

The economy has no way to recover. We do not manufacture any goods in the US, and we have squandered our natural resources.
The economy will collapse under these two strains.

There will be major riots in the US streets over water, food, shelter. Just as there are in many other countries now.

There will be a huge reduction in population as all of the people who think that killing for food, water, resources is the answer will divide into groups and kill one another. We are already building walls to keep out the foreigners, and committing genocide for oil.

There will be a huge extinction of all life, including humans as a result of these wars.

As a result of this near extinction, the human species will be cleaned of the genetic predisposition towards killing and slavery.

The remaining humans will be much more peaceful and communal.

This process has played itself out in primates many times.
As the population grows too large to be supported by the land, they start to war with neighbors. Leaving only the primates that do not engage in the fights, who become much more peaceful, and compassionate.

What will be left will be interconnected communes of roughly 100 - 150 people per area.
And there will be a five to one ratio of females to males in these communes.

My predictions have almost always been correct.
And are based on many many facts.
If you are still alive, and there is still an internet in 10 years come back to this thread and tell me I was wrong.

But for now, please continue enslaving and killing one another.
Keep fighting for more resources than your neighbor has.
Keep believing in what you call progress.
Keep consuming.

Or

Come and visit me and my five girlfriends at the commune.

Its your choice.

strelnik · #35 12-06-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

What do you think? www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2010/November27.html
I thought he brought up some valid points, as well as some points that may make some of you feel very uncomfortable.

Let's take a look at his so-called wonderful countries. I have lived in all but Finland:

Italy taxes everything to 20% and has excise taxes to 60%. You cannot own a home in Italy, only the wealthy do and you can't even own your apartment. Jobs are extremely difficult to get unless you want to be a waiter or a clerk. Professional degrees except medicine and a couple from special universities are considered one cut above South Dakota High. Yes you have free health care, it is abysmal. You get better health care by bribing people. The society is on where you can br, to get out of accidents. so if you report the accident, you end up paying, because the other guy bribed more. It's like Romainia in that regard.

France has excellent health care if you stay there after 90 days. The country requires you to learn enough French to communicate with the police within 5 years or you can be deported. The legal system is: guilty as accused unless proven innocent. You can eke out a living unless you are willing to spend maybe 6 years at university, which is good and also cheap. I went there, I know. Foreigners who don't have a lot of ney or an excellent command of the language get relegated to second-class. The unemployment rate has been 10-11% for six years and the sales tax is 20%, very few imports, and very few DIY. Life is good there if you speak French well, have a profession, and create a network to get around.

Germany is very similar to France in many respects except you can supplement the health care with your own paid stuff. Unemployment is 9%, the cities are very crowded outside the ghettos. Taxes and fines are high, speeding is severely enforced, sales tak is now 18%, unemployment is 9% and the chances of getting swine flu are about 75 times greater there than here, because the immigrant population is not as sanitation conscious as the Germans but they have all the sanitation jobs! There are currently 175,000 serious cases of swine flu in Germany, like the kind that can cause death. Most are in the immigrant neighborhoods in the southern cities. So you have to wonder about the guy who handed you that doner kebap you bought.

I am disappointed in the UK. Nothing runs on time, everything is very costly especially in London, there's almost no manufacturing and the socialist meality of let's all share YOUR wealth is prevalent there. plus they are raising the VAT to 20% as of Jan 1.

Japan is a very orderly country that has a lot of subsistance food. If you want to live on the food in soba bars, you cam but it's not exactly a healthy diet. Taxes are he same as Europe, housing is very crowded, health care is built on, but different from the American system, jobs are impossible for an American to get unless you are a really hot blonde who speaks Japanese or a doctor. Unemployment unknown, because they don't like anyone to know the precise figures, estimated about 7

MTUpower · #36 12-06-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

Let's take a look at his so-called wonderful countries. I have lived in all but Finland:

Italy taxes...

Notice the OP's link said nothing of this? Boils down the the post I made about sour grapes and the "hippie" comment IMHO.

strelnik · #37 12-06-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

You give a very solid, and honest view. Thank-You for responding.

Chulcutt,
I think the biggest issue I have is that Dmitry, who penned this blog, doesn't realize that many of the things he discussed as existing in the US exist EVEWHERE. You can get Coca Cola with high fructose corn syrup in Somalia, if you want to.

In my opinion, the issue is: do I choose to buy and drink it?

Every country has advantages. I love the way many French women dress (or don't dress). And many Italian women have really nice legs from walking in those deformed, expensive Ferragamo shoes.

But I still like it here best.

Txjake · #38 12-06-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Some people hide from the truth for so long that they forget what it looks like.

Yes, the united states is defiantly in decline, there is no doubt.

We have followed the same path as many other cultures that have suddenly fallen.
ie.. Roman, Mayan.

Every statistic mentioned in the article is true and can be verified.
I checked most.

Within the next 5 to 10 years there will be water, food, and oil shortages.

Our financial system has been undermined by rich, and people are losing faith in the dollar, and that is its only backing.

The economy has no way to recover. We do not manufacture any goods in the US, and we have squandered our natural resources.
The economy will collapse under these two strains.

There will be major riots in the US streets over water, food, shelter. Just as there are in many other countries now.

There will be a huge reduction in population as all of the people who think that killing for food, water, resources is the answer will divide into groups and kill one another. We are already building walls to keep out the foreigners, and committing genocide for oil.

There will be a huge extinction of all life, including humans as a result of these wars.

As a result of this near extinction, the human species will be cleaned of the genetic predisposition towards killing and slavery.

The remaining humans will be much more peaceful and communal.

This process has played itself out in primates many times.
As the population grows too large to be supported by the land, they start to war with neighbors. Leaving only the primates that do not engage in the fights, who become much more peaceful, and compassionate.

What will be left will be interconnected communes of roughly 100 - 150 people per area.
And there will be a five to one ratio of females to males in these communes.

My predictions have almost always been correct.
And are based on many many facts.
If you are still alive, and there is still an internet in 10 years come back to this thread and tell me I was wrong.

But for now, please continue enslaving and killing one another.
Keep fighting for more resources than your neighbor has.
Keep believing in what you call progress.
Keep consuming.

Or

Come and visit me and my five girlfriends at the commune.

Its your choice.

phfft...take another hit, man.......

JollyRoger · #39 12-06-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Of particular interest, is 'When will China call in the U.S.'s marker's'? Also of interest is the part about the suburbs in the U.S. being supplied by trucks..so what happens when the oil runs out?
Instead of critiqueing the views that have been presented, and dismissing them as some lunatic that hates the U.S., I think Americans would be better served if they understood that these things are real posibility's, and start now to figure out a game plan, in the event these scenario's actually occur.

Trucks can be run on natural gas, and if that runs out, diesel fuel can easily be extracted from coal, so, you''ve got like 500 years or so of suburbs. China is like any bond holder, it doesn't get to "call in it's markers", it gets to cash them in on the maturity date or sell them on the secondary market like anyone else. Guess I am going to have to "dismiss you as a lunatic".

The US, for all it's faults, has the most stable government on the planet, millions of people go about their day to day lives in it, while a small group of paranoids has been predicting it's demise since John first grew a Birch.

Interesting time when I went to find a simple pie chart of the US budget's defense outlays - there seems to be all sorts of them saying all sorts of things. Most of the ".gov" sites list it as 21% of the budget, but it seems the War in Iraq has been "off budget", and when that is taken into account, it rises to 58% of total outlays. The bottom line is that spending for the "war on terror" are way out of line given the actual threat, and the cash being allocated to it has created a massive new sinkhole for all our tax dollars to disappear into rivaling Medicare and SSI.

rscurtis · #40 12-06-2010, 10:03 AM

X2 on that last paragraph. What is really disturbing is that I was watching an interview of Lindsay Graham over the weekend, he want's to stay there forever. More of "Shooter's" 1% solution.

We have reached the point here where the certainty of the cure is worse than the small possibility of the disease.

aklim · #41 12-06-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Interesting time when I went to find a simple pie chart of the US budget's defense outlays - there seems to be all sorts of them saying all sorts of things. Most of the ".gov" sites list it as 21% of the budget, but it seems the War in Iraq has been "off budget", and when that is taken into account, it rises to 58% of total outlays. The bottom line is that spending for the "war on terror" are way out of line given the actual threat, and the cash being allocated to it has created a massive new sinkhole for all our tax dollars to disappear into rivaling Medicare and SSI.

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying. The money spent here there and the other with all that borrowing and slights of hand is such that nobody really knows what is going on. I'll bet you that 99 out of 100 people or more don't really know exactly what they have been paying for taxes, much less know EXACTLY what it goes to.

In spite of that, we seem to want to give them even more responsibility. This is like a guy who tells me his whoring, lying wife is doing every guy in town. He can't divorce her for whatever reasons but he is thinking of having another child with her? WTF??

aklim · #42 12-06-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rscurtis

X2 on that last paragraph. What is really disturbing is that I was watching an interview of Lindsay Graham over the weekend, he want's to stay there forever. More of "Shooter's" 1% solution.

We have reached the point here where the certainty of the cure is worse than the small possibility of the disease.

Could it be that the problem is bad because you insist of fighting a containment war. To me, it seems like we are throwing aspirin at a cancer patient. Well, it solves his fever but if you won't use chemo, surgery or radiation, you might not fix the problem.

#43 12-06-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rscurtis

X2 on that last paragraph. What is really disturbing is that I was watching an interview of Lindsay Graham over the weekend, he want's to stay there forever. More of "Shooter's" 1% solution.

We have reached the point here where the certainty of the cure is worse than the small possibility of the disease.

Fear is a growth industry these days, people will pay for the illusion of security.

chilcutt · #44 12-06-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

Chulcutt,
I think the biggest issue I have is that Dmitry, who penned this blog, doesn't realize that many of the things he discussed as existing in the US exist EVEWHERE. You can get Coca Cola with high fructose corn syrup in Somalia, if you want to.

In my opinion, the issue is: do I choose to buy and drink it?

Every country has advantages. I love the way many French women dress (or don't dress). And many Italian women have really nice legs from walking in those deformed, expensive Ferragamo shoes.

But I still like it here best.

Very well thought out , and informative.
My sister just migrated to France, and I dont believe I would like to live there.
I surmise that one can find good and bad in just about any country on this planet, and it boils down to a personal choice as to where one would prefer to live.
Thank-You for responding.

ashedd · #45 12-06-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

What will be left will be interconnected communes of roughly 100 - 150 people per area.
And there will be a five to one ratio of females to males in these communes.

Everything you said seems very plausible to me. The small "village" life is something that I sense will be very real.

I have read that martial law will be the beginning of the end.