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Old 12-28-2010, 12:00 PM
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If America doesn't protect Israel, America will cease to exist.
Actually, if America doesn't protect Israel, Israel will cease to exist. America would be inconvenienced.

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Old 12-28-2010, 12:09 PM
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Actually, if America doesn't protect Israel, Israel will cease to exist. America would be inconvenienced.

it would be pretty tough to convince most to forsake the religous significance of that area and the somewhat friendly control it now enjoys
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Actually, if America doesn't protect Israel, Israel will cease to exist. America would be inconvenienced.
I respectfully disagree my good sir.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:35 PM
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Not denying that at all. I think the main question here is just how much is being spent and is it really necessary? Could the money be put to better use elsewhere?


2010 Military Budgets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

I believe that's a bit misleading in regards to China. They have been understating defense spending for years. The PLA is involved in just about every business in China, so its quite easy for them to understate it.

Realistically I think China is probably at 1/2 to 1/3 of what we spend.

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Old 12-28-2010, 04:41 PM
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Actually, if America doesn't protect Israel, Israel will cease to exist. America would be inconvenienced.
If you believe that, you are dumber than myself.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:45 PM
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it would be pretty tough to convince most to forsake the religous significance of that area and the somewhat friendly control it now enjoys
I wasn't referring to it's "religous significance."
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:56 PM
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I believe that's a bit misleading in regards to China. They have been understating defense spending for years. The PLA is involved in just about every business in China, so its quite easy for them to understate it.

Realistically I think China is probably at 1/2 to 1/3 of what we spend.

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Probably right and I also suspect that the U.S number might even be low.... (Money spent on black projects probably doesn't show up and as noted here interest on past expenditures aren't listed either) I also wonder how the money spent by certain defense contractors is calculated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_Breakdown_for_2011

That's A LOT of money for interest payments alone.....Remember England or Germany just finished paying off the last of it's WW2 debt earlier this year?
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That was WW1 debt, one of the key points that Hitler used to rise to power.

I believe most country's defense budgets are understated, ours is probably a bit as well. But China makes it official policy, the PLA has their hands in everything they are loaded. NFW do they spend $100b a year not with all the programs they have going on. They want a blue water Navy, not on 100B a year.
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I wasn't referring to it's "religous significance."

if Israel is left to their own and they lose, how easy will it be to get to Jerusalem? How long will anything with Christian or Jewish significance stay intact or accessable. Its one in the same.
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if Israel is left to their own and they lose, how easy will it be to get to Jerusalem? How long will anything with Christian or Jewish significance stay intact or accessable. Its one in the same.
Sorry, but I could not care less about anything with Christian or Jewish significance, and neither should the US government. The US should not be in the business of protecting other peoples superstitious symbols.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:40 AM
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I think a high% of voters would disagree
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:42 AM
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I think a high% of voters would disagree
Probably true, and they will get the government they deserve.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:53 AM
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If America doesn't protect Israel, America will cease to exist.
Does it say that in the bible or something?
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:56 AM
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Does it say that in the bible or something?
I think it's in the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Universe, actually.
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if Israel is left to their own and they lose, how easy will it be to get to Jerusalem? How long will anything with Christian or Jewish significance stay intact or accessable. Its one in the same.
Personally I couldn't care less wether or not Jerusalem winds up under the mullahs again for a while irrespective of the apoplexy that would strike a bunch of superstitious in the US. However. The idea that the arab world would finally manage to win a war against Israel, is frankly, unlikely.

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