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SilkMoneyLove · #61 02-22-2011, 07:51 PM

As a Wisconsin Parent, (tax payer and have a kid starting school in September) I can tell you I have an easy answer to this problem.

Give the teachers a raise, hold a certain amount of their pay as performance based and make the school year round (like a real job), with trimesters. If the kids are learning all year long, they have a better chance of getting better grades and getting the info to sink in. Also, parents would not have to pay for summer camps and other BS because our school system thinks everyone lives on a farm and needs to do summer farm work BS. How to pay for it? My taxes will go up. Guess what? They will anyway, at least this way everyone involved would get something out of it.

I can count all of the "great" teachers I had on one hand, the rest of them could have been replaced by robots. Besides, teaching was one of those "noble" professions that weren't supposed to make much money.

When I was a pizza guy, I didn't tell the owner to pay me $40 an hour or else me and all the other pizza makers would strike/call in sick. I took the job while I needed it until I found something better. If teachers don't like their deal, they are free to move on to a real job. One with a retirement account that you have to fund yourself and pay for your own healthcare, because that is how it is in the real world.

Xlimodriver · #62 02-22-2011, 07:52 PM

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elchivito · #63 02-22-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SilkMoneyLove

As a Wisconsin Parent, (tax payer and have a kid starting school in September) I can tell you I have an easy answer to this problem.Give the teachers a raise, hold a certain amount of their pay as performance based and make the school year round (like a real job), with trimesters. If the kids are learning all year long, they have a better chance of getting better grades and getting the info to sink in. Also, parents would not have to pay for summer camps and other BS because our school system thinks everyone lives on a farm and needs to do summer farm work BS. How to pay for it? My taxes will go up. Guess what? They will anyway, at least this way everyone involved would get something out of it.
I can count all of the "great" teachers I had on one hand, the rest of them could have been replaced by robots. Besides, teaching was one of those "noble" professions that weren't supposed to make much money.
When I was a pizza guy, I didn't tell the owner to pay me $40 an hour or else me and all the other pizza makers would strike/call in sick. I took the job while I needed it until I found something better. If teachers don't like their deal, they are free to move on to a real job. One with a retirement account that you have to fund yourself and pay for your own healthcare, because that is how it is in the real world.

"A real job?"

There is considerable data available for you to research on whether or not year round school is worth the time and money where academic success is the marker. Do a little homework and you'll see that the jury is very much still out on that one.

Parents wouldn't have to pay for summer camps and other "BS", because they'd have year round baby sitters. Tell you what, if educators are baby sitters, then we deserve baby sitter's pay. Around here, twelve year old girls get 5 dollars an hour per kid. 5 x 30 x 6.5 = 975 dollars a day times a 180 day school year is 175.5K per year. I'll take that in a heartbeat. Sadly for parents who don't want to pay for summertime "BS", we ain't baby sitters.

While the traditional school year is certainly based on the agricultural calendar and is no longer relevant, no educator thinks all his or her kids live on a farm.

Most people can probably only recall a few truly great teachers. For that matter, most can only recall a few truly great doctors, lawyers, Mercedes mechanics and pizza boys. What's the point?

Who was it anyhow who decided teachers weren't supposed to make any money. Your source please?

You mentioned "real job" twice. Your bias and jealousy are showing as clearly as Uranus.

Kuan · #64 02-22-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SilkMoneyLove

As a Wisconsin Parent, (tax payer and have a kid starting school in September) I can tell you I have an easy answer to this problem.

Give the teachers a raise, hold a certain amount of their pay as performance based and make the school year round (like a real job), with trimesters. If the kids are learning all year long, they have a better chance of getting better grades and getting the info to sink in. Also, parents would not have to pay for summer camps and other BS because our school system thinks everyone lives on a farm and needs to do summer farm work BS. How to pay for it? My taxes will go up. Guess what? They will anyway, at least this way everyone involved would get something out of it.

I can count all of the "great" teachers I had on one hand, the rest of them could have been replaced by robots. Besides, teaching was one of those "noble" professions that weren't supposed to make much money.

When I was a pizza guy, I didn't tell the owner to pay me $40 an hour or else me and all the other pizza makers would strike/call in sick. I took the job while I needed it until I found something better. If teachers don't like their deal, they are free to move on to a real job. One with a retirement account that you have to fund yourself and pay for your own healthcare, because that is how it is in the real world.

I have a better solution for you. Homeschool.

Like I said before. Read the .pdf file. http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/main2009/2010458.pdf

Scroll down to page 34 and compare WI to other states. WI tied or beat 34 other states at 8th grade reading. Furthermore, the reading scores increased for a number of states while no states showed a decline. Additinal research would show that WI consistently posts some of the highest ACT scores in the nation and has had a 90% graduation rate for the past couple decades.

I don't know what kind of problem everyone has with WI teachers. Seems like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and picking on them because some politician decided to make this an issue. Prior to this union busting move by the governor there was hardly a whisper about WI teachers in the news.

Skid Row Joe · #65 02-22-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

Are you sure about that? What if the non-union workers encounter the same problem as their union counterparts? What if their productivity is the same?

Are you completely rejecting the possibility that the parents/children are at fault, even if only partially?

Fire the failed employees.

Then get back to me.

Skid Row Joe · #66 02-22-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

"A real job?"
There is considerable data available for you to research on whether or not year round school is worth the time and money where academic success is the marker. Do a little homework and you'll see that the jury is very much still out on that one.

Parents wouldn't have to pay for summer camps and other "BS", because they'd have year round baby sitters. Tell you what, if educators are baby sitters, then we deserve baby sitter's pay. Around here, twelve year old girls get 5 dollars an hour per kid. 5 x 30 x 6.5 = 975 dollars a day times a 180 day school year is 175.5K per year. I'll take that in a heartbeat. Sadly for parents who don't want to pay for summertime "BS", we ain't baby sitters.

While the traditional school year is certainly based on the agricultural calendar and is no longer relevant, no educator thinks all his or her kids live on a farm.

Most people can probably only recall a few truly great teachers. For that matter, most can only recall a few truly great doctors, lawyers, Mercedes mechanics and pizza boys. What's the point?

Who was it anyhow who decided teachers weren't supposed to make any money. Your source please?

You mentioned "real job" twice. Your bias and jealousy are showing as clearly as Uranus.

Public education in Wisconsin is proven a failed system.

This tells the story you must have missed:

Dept of Education stats indicate:

"Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest."

Skid Row Joe · #67 02-22-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SilkMoneyLove

As a Wisconsin Parent, (tax payer and have a kid starting school in September) I can tell you I have an easy answer to this problem.

Give the teachers a raise, hold a certain amount of their pay as performance based and make the school year round (like a real job), with trimesters. If the kids are learning all year long, they have a better chance of getting better grades and getting the info to sink in. Also, parents would not have to pay for summer camps and other BS because our school system thinks everyone lives on a farm and needs to do summer farm work BS. How to pay for it? My taxes will go up. Guess what? They will anyway, at least this way everyone involved would get something out of it.

I can count all of the "great" teachers I had on one hand, the rest of them could have been replaced by robots. Besides, teaching was one of those "noble" professions that weren't supposed to make much money.

When I was a pizza guy, I didn't tell the owner to pay me $40 an hour or else me and all the other pizza makers would strike/call in sick. I took the job while I needed it until I found something better. If teachers don't like their deal, they are free to move on to a real job. One with a retirement account that you have to fund yourself and pay for your own healthcare, because that is how it is in the real world.

There's the key.

Performance based.

Without the raise - the teachers union is already failing our children in Wisconsin.

HuskyMan · #68 02-22-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SilkMoneyLove

As a Wisconsin Parent, (tax payer and have a kid starting school in September) I can tell you I have an easy answer to this problem.

Give the teachers a raise, hold a certain amount of their pay as performance based and make the school year round (like a real job), with trimesters. If the kids are learning all year long, they have a better chance of getting better grades and getting the info to sink in. Also, parents would not have to pay for summer camps and other BS because our school system thinks everyone lives on a farm and needs to do summer farm work BS. How to pay for it? My taxes will go up. Guess what? They will anyway, at least this way everyone involved would get something out of it.

I can count all of the "great" teachers I had on one hand, the rest of them could have been replaced by robots. Besides, teaching was one of those "noble" professions that weren't supposed to make much money.

When I was a pizza guy, I didn't tell the owner to pay me $40 an hour or else me and all the other pizza makers would strike/call in sick. I took the job while I needed it until I found something better. If teachers don't like their deal, they are free to move on to a real job. One with a retirement account that you have to fund yourself and pay for your own healthcare, because that is how it is in the real world.

Nothing wrong with requiring students to attend classes year round. The problem is it is still "Public Education" and "Public Education" is a failure, both on paper and in reality. This idea is based on the presumption that if we throw enough money at a bonfire, the fire will extinguish.

A private school based education will ALWAYS trump a public education because of management structure, the education level of the instructors, class size and class priorities.

JamesDean · #69 02-22-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Fire the failed employees.

Then get back to me.

Well it looks like Rhode Island did this sort of:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-24/us/rhode.island.teachers_1_teachers-union-troubled-school-reading-specialists?_s=PM:US

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-16/us/rhode.island.teachers.rehired_1_new-school-school-year-three-assistant-principals?_s=PM:US

10fords · #70 02-22-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

Some students acquired the expected reading skills, why didn't the others? Are they stoopid? Or do parents have other things to do, such as paying for healthcare/insurance, a house, a retirement fund for the incompetent union teachers Which leaves them little time or energy to make sure their kids get an education that was supposed to be provided by the incompetent union teachers.

Fixed that for ya

inappropriate changing of another person's post

aklim · #71 02-22-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Anyone who hasn't spent time in the classroom hasn't a clue the baggage kids come to school with these days. Broken homes, single parent homes, drugs, alcohol, joblessness, you name it. I counted myself and my students fortunate if they'd all at least come to school in the morning having had BREAKFAST that somebody cooked for them. I don't believe it ever happened. Anyone who thinks this doesn't weigh heavily on the minds of even the youngest kids in school and affect their ability to concentrate and feel good about learning is a fool..

So is it your contention that because of all of this, our kids are at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the world because they don't have issues for their kids?

Chas H · #72 02-22-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 10fords

Fixed that for ya

You didn't fix anything, you're a damn liar.

inappropriate name calling

aklim · #73 02-22-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Fire the failed employees.

Then get back to me.

We don't like the end product. Is it all the employee? Is it all the raw material? We need to keep pressure on the employee to produce. However, lets also realize that the raw material is pretty crappy too.

Skid Row Joe · #74 02-22-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10fords

Fixed that for ya

Ya da man, 10Fords!

tonkovich · #75 02-22-2011, 11:49 PM

it's a little hard to take seriously the arguments that flow from someone who has a tv character as his avatar.

oh, the kids are raised by a computer screen and a tv set. their parents aren't too bright, for the most part. i wouldn't expect too many einsteins coming out of that setup.

but please, carry on blaming "unions" and teachers.