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Old 03-20-2011, 01:18 PM
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I also do not or may not know your religious beliefs, and one of my religous beliefs is not to question your beliefs. They are yours and I have mine.
This has become the default position behind which the religious now pathetically seek refuge - pleading immunity from criticism in exchange for not criticizing. Certainly a retreat from the position held by their religions though the ages, namely: ours is the one and only truth and you better believe it or else.

Progress of a sort.

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Old 03-20-2011, 01:18 PM
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The nice thing about being an atheist, one of which I are, is that we are not so hidebound that we can not celebrate all religious holidays if we like. We are multi-opportunists when it comes to holidays. Some don't bother, some use the holidays to drink a beer and celebrate their non-involvement in what we see as a ridiculous rites and rituals.
Then in fact according to the original definition of the word, you do not celebrate a holiday. You may celebrate time off.

Back on topic for a moment.

Let's say you and I wish to reinact a Druidic ritual of lunar worship. While you and I are play-acting a handful of devote Druids happens by and an is enthralled and sent to religious ecstasy by what we believe is a mere reinactment of a ritual.

Did a religious service take place?
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A religious rite can be what ever others perceive it to be. One can enjoy christmas w/o being a christer or halloween w/o being a goth.
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Public employees praying in a public building does not violate the Establishment Clause unless it is per official policy or legislation and meets the standards established in the Lemon Test,* Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971):
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The purpose of the Lemon test is to determine when a law has the effect of establishing religion. The test has served as the foundation for many of the Court's post-1971 establishment clause rulings. As articulated by Chief Justice Burger, the test has three parts:

First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/eclause2.htm
We’ve seen this mostly in public schools where religious instruction is incorporated into secular lesson plans. Such cases clearly advance a religious purpose, have no secular intent, and constitute an excessive entanglement with religion.

If public employees were praying in a public building per established policy or ordinance, then a suit may be brought to have the courts examine the intent of such a policy.





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This has become the default position behind which the religious now pathetically seek refuge - pleading immunity from criticism in exchange for not criticizing. Certainly a retreat from the position held by their religions though the ages, namely: ours is the one and only truth and you better believe it or else.

Progress of a sort.
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:29 PM
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A religious rite can be what ever others perceive it to be. One can enjoy christmas w/o being a christer or halloween w/o being a goth.
Okay, let's go with that. I think you and I would agree that there are probably any number of tests we could agree on for what constitutes a religious expression, and this is but one.

Now I suggest that it doesn't matter whether the object of veneration exists or doesn't exist. What matters is the perception of existence. Does that sound right?
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:42 PM
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Aw man, nobody wants to play?
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Aw man, nobody wants to play?
Sorry, Boss. We're too busy planning the War on Christmas for this year.

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