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MS Fowler · #**106** 08-04-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Local2ED

December 2010 republicans say letting the bush-era tax hikes continue will create jobs.

August 4th. 2011- Where are the jobs

Should have read "bush-era tax cuts"

You can't isolate one factor and expect that to control the economy. ( Well, I suppose you can, but it would lead to erroneous conclusions).
Along with the Bush tax cuts/ hike there is the need for business to have reason to expect consistency in future regulation. Yet, as soon as the President signed the debt ceiling into law he, and all the dems are talking again, about letting the tax cuts expire. You think businesses are going to risk venture capital with that level of uncertainty hanging over them?
Business would like a 3 or 4 year moratorium on tax and fee increases, and a long lead time on changes after that.
Stability is the name of the game for business growth.

sjh · #**107** 08-04-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Hardly. If being a renter or homeless or being below the threshold for payment of federal income tax were the sole criteria for being part of the Democratic party, then the GOP should already have overwhelming dominance.

I thought my statement was self-evident.

The democrats specialize in convincing some group that they are disenfranchised and can only be treated properly if they vote democratic. If you think what I am saying is inaccurate than we have come to one of those areas where you and I look at the exact same scene and see much different events.

For everyone else here's a quick story:

I'm recovering from an illness. My physical therapist mentioned she was applying for a minority set-aside for her business. I looked at this white, middle-aged, professional women and asked how she qualified. She said she was a women. I replied there are more women than men in this country. She said (paraphrasing),

"A minority is any group that votes predominantly democratic!"

So blacks (12.6%) are a minority but asian-americans (4.8%) are not.

panZZer · #**108** 08-04-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Local2ED

December 2010 republicans say letting the bush-era tax hikes continue will create jobs.

August 4th. 2011- Where are the jobs

Should have read "bush-era tax cuts"

Where WERE the job Gains from the 9 or so yrs of the bush tax cuts the the wealthy??????????????
ZERO
Nobody gets it, There was never a net (or any) gain at any time, and we are supposed to keep buying into its good for everybody and they are gonna start thinking benevolently about gob growth

sjh · #**109** 08-04-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Where WERE the job Gains from the 9 or so yrs of the bush tax cuts the the wealthy??????????????
ZERO
Nobody gets it, There was never a net (or any) gain at any time, and we are supposed to keep buying into its good for everybody and they are gonna start thinking benevolently about gob growth

I wish this was not the case but I do not understand why Bush (jr) did what he did during his 8 years and I am deeply concerned that he has hurt this nation and the world.

I hope I am wrong.

I am afraid I am not.

retmil46 · #**110** 08-04-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

It ceased being an adult discussion when DNC approved propaganda started flying.

Because the left can't stand when anything deviates from what the party approves of.

Lest anyone misunderstand, I was referring to BOTH SIDES of the "political divide".

I was going to say "discussion", but that would have been like calling an ox a bull.

boneheaddoctor · #**111** 08-04-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Yea sure, Im gonna put my dog on the computer now..............
Uh sorry, Boozer says he doesn't have time for BoZo's either.

I Don't see a forum title of "DNC propaganda discussion......."

Like I said....Liberals get all huffy when people don't just accept every word they say as gospel.

Like the fit Obama threw last week.

panZZer · #**112** 08-04-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Where WERE the job Gains from the 9 or so yrs of the bush tax cuts the the wealthy??????????????
ZERO
Nobody gets it, There was never a net (or any) gain at any time, and we are supposed to keep buying into its good for everybody and they are gonna start thinking benevolently about job growth

And was one of the main contributing factors of our current problems. Pull your heads OUT from where you have them firmly shoved people.

MTI · #**113** 08-04-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

I thought my statement was self-evident.

I re-read your confession that you are less than perfect, so I understand your dilemna with being "self-evident."

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The democrats specialize in convincing some group that they are disenfranchised and can only be treated properly if they vote democratic. If you think what I am saying is inaccurate than we have come to one of those areas where you and I look at the exact same scene and see much different events.

I shall assume with a high degree of confidence that you know the history of progressive and conservative movements in this country. Each party has a "base" in which both try to convince that they are disenfanchised from power and are that group's champion. My response was to point out that progressives, liberals, members of the Democratic Party, are not necessarily merely those unable to afford land or pay taxes, as was suggested.

Frankly, is there some virtue in making wealth a criteria for representation?

With regard to your parable about minorities. Women are a minority in other aspects than merely head count. I would think that was self evident.

retmil46 · #**114** 08-04-2011, 04:59 PM

It would seem Wall Street has rendered their verdict on the debt deal - down 512 points.

Hatterasguy · #**115** 08-04-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

Indeed. For quite some time after the country was founded, it was a requirement that you had to own property (ie, land, house, farm, business, etc) before you were allowed to vote. In essence, it meant you had to establish yourself in some sort of trade or occupation, and become a productive self-supporting tax-paying member of society before you had a say in how the country was governed and public funds were spent - IOW, you had to have your own "skin" in the game before you were allowed to play.

I couldn't agree more, these days you have people with nothing, no skin in the game and they are voting.

Like my state there should be an amendment forcing a balanced budget, term limits need to be put in place, and voting should be restricted to landowners.

MTI · #**116** 08-04-2011, 05:19 PM

Don't stop there, poll taxes and take the vote away from women (you know they can't be trusted with reproductive rights, let alone democracy); since corporations, trusts and other legal entities also own land, imagine how many votes Starbucks would be entitled to.

Hatterasguy · #**117** 08-04-2011, 05:22 PM

Your bringing my argument to an illogical extreme.

Their is a reason that cities don't like rentals, it kills property values and said inhabitants have no stake in the community and don't care.

In my city getting rid of rentals is the P&Z boards favorite hobby.

I also argue that everyone even if they make $1 a year should pay income tax.

If you have a stake$$$ in something you tend to take care of it. People like free money out of the pot, but when its their money they tend to be less free with it.

panZZer · #**118** 08-04-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Your bringing my argument to an illogical extreme.

Their is a reason that cities don't like rentals, it kills property values and said inhabitants have no stake in the community and don't care.

In my city getting rid of rentals is the P&Z boards favorite hobby.

I also argue that everyone even if they make $1 a year should pay income tax.

If you have a stake$$$ in something you tend to take care of it. People like free money out of the pot, but when its their money they tend to be less free with it.

"If you have a stake$$$ in something you tend to take care of it."
like the wealthiest 1% in this country .

Hatterasguy · #**119** 08-04-2011, 05:32 PM

Yep, and the average joe who owns a house.

boneheaddoctor · #**120** 08-04-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

It would seem Wall Street has rendered their verdict on the debt deal - down 512 points.

And I new it was going to happen....people and not just Republicans....are tired of this reckless spending when they have been having to tighten their own belts to make ends meet.