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sjh · #**211** 08-05-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

It certainly be possible to screw up the response to Sept 11 worse tha Bush. But not likely. What would one do? Continue to read to a class full of kids for 10 minutes instead of 7 or 8 as Bush did? Or wait 5 weeks instead of 3 to go after Bin Laden?
BTW, it was Gore/Leiberman that Bush defeated in 2000, not K/E.
I did not have a high opinion of K/E also, but after Bush et al lied to us about the threat posed by Hussein, then said the dispatch of OBL wasn't important, there was no way I was going to return the incumbents to office. There were other issues were Bush totally screwed up.
"You're doing a great job Brownie" for example.

Well. Just in case I haven't expressed myself ---->

I didn't vote for the guy

I'm terribly concerned he's caused terrible damage

I wanted McCain to win that election (2000) (of the mainstream, front-runners)

Thanks for pointing out I mixed up my years and candidates

So given the 6 candidates that did run I would have preferred a Lieberman/Cheney or Lieberman/Gore or Lieberman/Kerry but the best would have been McCain/Lieberman

In terms of the after-math of 9-11 I did not mean the hours afterwards I meant the days, weeks and first couple of months

I never understood the appeal Bush had for the electorate going back to when he defeated Ann Richards

You don't have to list his gaffes to get me to say I don't know what he was doing there

boneheaddoctor · #**212** 08-05-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

It certainly be possible to screw up the response to Sept 11 worse tha Bush. But not likely. What would one do? Continue to read to a class full of kids for 10 minutes instead of 7 or 8 as Bush did? Or wait 5 weeks instead of 3 to go after Bin Laden? Invade Iraq when Bush knew there was no connection between Iraq and Sep 11. Bush said as much, but he did lie to congress that there was a connection.
BTW, it was Gore/Leiberman that Bush defeated in 2000, not K/E.
I did not have a high opinion of K/E also, but after Bush et al lied to us about the threat posed by Hussein, then said the dispatch of OBL wasn't important, there was no way I was going to return the incumbents to office. There were other issues were Bush totally screwed up.
"You're doing a great job Brownie" for example.

Gee...Obama has done exactly ONE single thing right since he took office.

Sign the order to take out Bin Laden....thats it...other than that...zip nada, niente....zilch. Everything else obama has done has been a world class screwup.

And when NOBODY though that it was possible to be worse than Jimmy Carter....Obama not only pegs that...but hes so bad he makes Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.

Local2ED · #**213** 08-05-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Gee...Obama has done exactly ONE single thing right since he took office.

Sign the order to take out Bin Laden....thats it...other than that...zip nada, niente....zilch. Everything else obama has done has been a world class screwup.

And when NOBODY though that it was possible to be worse than Jimmy Carter....Obama not only pegs that...but hes so bad he makes Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.

Not according to limbo.

boneheaddoctor · #**214** 08-05-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Local2ED

Not according to limbo.

So who appointed you spokesman?

tonkovich · #**215** 08-05-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Let the sluts and the whores take care of their own birth control.....why SHOULD they get it free....

yes, peel away the layers, and you get to the core.

women who want birth control from their health insurance plan are "sluts" and "whores". funny, haven't seen any posts about viagra being paid for by men's health insurance companies.

keep talking - we'll discover even more about your insecurities.

MTUpower · #**216** 08-05-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

We've been working on this mess longer than that. I'd say we've been working on it since about 1981, when Ronald Reagan said, "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

What a perverse attitude for the leader of the government to have. The anti-government attitude pervades Washington. It's no mystery that the government has become so dysfunctional.

Has the government gotten larger or smaller in it's reach, size, budgets, expenses, debt, or future promises in the last 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

I'd say you have it backwards: the pro government crowd has won and gov continues to get bigger. Nearly all entities want to grow and expand their sphere of influence and governments are not immune to this; indeed they are one of the primary examples of it's truth.

BTW: sorry about going off on your rant, it seemed like a stupid rant to me. You really think 50% of my countrymen think like you? That's an high figure.

MTUpower · #**217** 08-05-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Yes, I believe that the movement away from "landed gentry" having all the power of the electorate was progress, just as giving the vote to women and ensuring that the citizens' right to vote is not impeded due. How else do we have a representative government, by the people and for the people, as contemplated by Lincoln's address?

The villifying of the poor in this discussion is interesting. The entertainment of the notion that there is some good in denying them voting rights is disappointing. Consider that the elderly and other infirm would not meet the income test, are they to be included in this secondary class of citizenship? The newly unemployed . . .

From restrictions to "white male landowners" to literacy tests and poll taxes . . . the history of voter rights has been a long struggle against prejudice and disenfranchisement, so I call that progess and to impose an income requirement is backwards.

You do not post any results which back up your point; just issues which have changed. Your task by trying to answer the question was to show improvement- how the country got better for the majority of citizens due to your assumptions- and you listed nothing that fit that criteria.

MTI · #**218** 08-05-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

So who appointed you spokesman?

Clearly, not the same person that appointed you.

MTI · #**219** 08-05-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

You do not post any results which back up your point; just issues which have changed. Your task by trying to answer the question was to show improvement- how the country got better for the majority of citizens due to your assumptions- and you listed nothing that fit that criteria.

Then I take it that you believe the country's electorate has deteriorated since the passage of the 15th Amendment in 1870? What evidence is there of that . . . another 100 years and development of the US as a superpower was impeded because you didn't have to be white to vote? Didn't the Civil Rights Act and the Voter Rights Act diminish the racial prejudice in certain areas of the country? What proof are you seeking which hasn't already been covered and taught in schools.

On the other hand . . . what has been the track record of apartheid?

Honus · #**220** 08-05-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

...You really think 50% of my countrymen think like you? That's an high figure.

I pulled that number out of my rear end, but on that specific issue (prevailing opinions about Bush and the Tea Party), I'll bet I am not in the minority. Neither of them was popular last time I checked.

boneheaddoctor · #**221** 08-06-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

yes, peel away the layers, and you get to the core.

women who want birth control from their health insurance plan are "sluts" and "whores". funny, haven't seen any posts about viagra being paid for by men's health insurance companies.

keep talking - we'll discover even more about your insecurities.

How about the welfare witchs pay for their own stuff for a change....I know the liberals are too damn cheap to spend their own money.

boneheaddoctor · #**222** 08-06-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Clearly, not the same person that appointed you.

I got my appointment when you got yours.....they sent them out together...didn't you read the memo?

boneheaddoctor · #**223** 08-06-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Local2ED

Not according to limbo.

Really......Last I heard Rush gave him credit for that. Don't know any that haven't.

sjh · #**224** 08-06-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

You do not post any results which back up your point; just issues which have changed. Your task by trying to answer the question was to show improvement- how the country got better for the majority of citizens due to your assumptions- and you listed nothing that fit that criteria.

Don't fall for this guy's spiel...

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Originally Posted by MTI

...The villifying of the poor in this discussion is interesting. The entertainment of the notion that there is some good in denying them voting rights is disappointing. Consider that the elderly and other infirm would not meet the income test, ....

No one has said what he contends. He consistently engages in fallacies, often strawmen, but also likes to redefine terms, whenever, however it serves his purpose.

I truly dislike saying this but he has no solidity, no core, no center. He's almost certainly a stranger to himself. A chimera.

The more one is a stranger to themselves the more adamantly and desperately they argue. One at peace can be elastic, say things like, "I see what you are saying" or "have you considered this?", etc.

I mean I'm talking to a Muslim on this board and we touch on matters involving our Faiths. I don't doubt for one moment that he is sincerely seeking to live his life correctly. I can't speak for him but I suspect he would say the same about me. Yet we both know, that at least to the best of our ability to understand, that we have some major differences. However, we are civil and listen to each other.

Why is it, that someone, who at least from a superficial analysis, would have much more in common with me can't grant me (or others with whom he differs) the same dignity?

Look over the various mannerisms of those that speak here. When one encounters brittleness, demonization of opponents, etc you're dealing with one who is projecting an inner struggle onto those about them.

A few posts back I said something like I accept the sincerity of the cause of progressives but doubt the effectiveness of their methods.

Doesn't seem like much of a sentence but I acknowledge the humanity and the decency of those who differ with I.

Now look at this man's words for the past 10 or 20 or 30 posts. Is there one time that he speaks of those who differ in any manner but derisively?

The statement is simple: Fulfill the responsibilities of adulthood and obtain the rights of adulthood.

Chas H · #**225** 08-06-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Has the government gotten larger or smaller in it's reach, size, budgets, expenses, debt, or future promises in the last 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

I'd say you have it backwards: the pro government crowd has won and gov continues to get bigger. Nearly all entities want to grow and expand their sphere of influence and governments are not immune to this; indeed they are one of the primary examples of it's truth.

BTW: sorry about going off on your rant, it seemed like a stupid rant to me. You really think 50% of my countrymen think like you? That's an high figure.

Which country with a smaller government do you think we should emulate?