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PaulC · #76 12-04-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I simply can't agree with the first sentence. Military experience as it helps a Presidents perspective has nothing to do with "command experience." Having been in the military in ANY position, gives the POTUS the knowledge of what it's like to be that guy(or today, gals also) and be so susceptible to the decisions of a POTUS as Commander in Chief.

As far as GW not showing up for the physical, you obviously don't know the whole story. His unit was thankfully getting rid of the 102's. This meant that the pilots were retraining in the replacement aircraft. He had a short amount of time left which made it in impractical to train, thus he was basically cut loose.

He did not at all thumb his nose at an order as was implied by the liberal media led by Dan Rathers proven faked letter and the ensuing fiction.

Again, I'm not a GW fan, but I do resent the liberal medias repeating these lies and engaging in such character assasination.

You don't engage in character assassination on this forum?

Air&Road · #77 12-04-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

If you are referring to me and my description..my words came from my head-I dun have a clue what this ft. polk thingy is..so its irrelevant.

What is interesting is the term..'Freedom Bird'..so by your own admission..serving in Nam was a sentence that stripped you of your freedom?

I think you are mischaracterizing a common term that was used by most everyone. Had you been there you would have looked forward to going home to Freedom!

There is no "freedom" while serving in the military in ANY capacity in any location. You hand over your personal freedom in order to protect it for everyone including yourself after you get out.

Pooka · #78 12-04-2011, 12:23 AM

What was Abe Lincoln's military experience?

And don't forget Jimmy Carter! He had more firepower under his thumb when he was in the Navy than all of the armed forces engaged in World War 2 combined.

Air&Road · #79 12-04-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

If you are referring to me and my description..my words came from my head-I dun have a clue what this ft. polk thingy is..so its irrelevant.

What is interesting is the term..'Freedom Bird'..so by your own admission..serving in Nam was a sentence that stripped you of your freedom?

I think you are mischaracterizing a common term that was used by most everyone. Had you been there you would have looked forward to going home to Freedom!

There is no "freedom" while serving in the military in ANY capacity in any location. You hand over your personal freedom in order to protect it for everyone including yourself after you get out.

Pooka · #80 12-04-2011, 12:25 AM

And how could England ever have won the Falkland's war without the battle tested Maggie Thacher leading the charge?

chilcutt · #81 12-04-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I think you are mischaracterizing a common term that was used by most everyone. Had you been there you would have looked forward to going home to Freedom!

There is no "freedom" while serving in the military in ANY capacity in any location. You hand over your personal freedom in order to protect it for everyone including yourself after you get out.

If you would...pls include your detachment..where were you deployed-time frame?

Helps me get a clearer picture of the obstacles you encountered.

Air&Road · #82 12-04-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

You don't engage in character assassination on this forum?

No more than you and others have put forth toward me!

Air&Road · #83 12-04-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

If you would...pls include your detachment..where were you deployed-time frame?

Helps me get a clearer picture of the obstacles you encountered.

Not something I care to relive. Sorry.

Chas H · #84 12-04-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I simply can't agree with the first sentence. Military experience as it helps a Presidents perspective has nothing to do with "command experience." Having been in the military in ANY position, gives the POTUS the knowledge of what it's like to be that guy(or today, gals also) and be so susceptible to the decisions of a POTUS as Commander in Chief.

As far as GW not showing up for the physical, you obviously don't know the whole story. His unit was thankfully getting rid of the 102's. This meant that the pilots were retraining in the replacement aircraft. He had a short amount of time left which made it in impractical to train, thus he was basically cut loose.

Bush's highest rank was 1st Lt which analogous to being a PFC. Other than learning the basics of flying, Bush was just another trooper that was expected to make up his bunk correctly.
Bush received a letter from his commanding officer taking him off flight status because he did not show up for his physical. It had nothing to do with anything else. Bush pissed away a very expensive flight training. Now why did Bush not take his physical?
Bush's loss of flying status should have spurred probe - The Boston Globe
"Two retired National Guard generals, in interviews yesterday, said they were surprised that Bush -- or any military pilot -- would forgo a required annual flight physical and take no apparent steps to rectify the problem and return to flying. "There is no excuse for that. Aviators just don't miss their flight physicals," said Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr., who retired in 2002 as the Pentagon's director of the Air National Guard, in an interview."

chilcutt · #85 12-04-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Not something I care to relive. Sorry.

I understand.

Unto You Peace~

MTI · #86 12-04-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

What was Abe Lincoln's military experience?

And don't forget Jimmy Carter! He had more firepower under his thumb when he was in the Navy than all of the armed forces engaged in World War 2 combined.

President Lincoln was a former member of his state's militia.

mgburg · #87 12-04-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

Bush's highest rank was 1st Lt which analogous to being a PFC. Other than learning the basics of flying, Bush was just another trooper that was expected to make up his bunk correctly.
Bush received a letter from his commanding officer taking him off flight status because he did not show up for his physical. It had nothing to do with anything else. Bush pissed away a very expensive flight training. Now why did Bush not take his physical? ... Bush's loss of flying status should have spurred probe - The Boston Globe ... "Two retired National Guard generals, in interviews yesterday, said they were surprised that Bush -- or any military pilot -- would forgo a required annual flight physical and take no apparent steps to rectify the problem and return to flying. "There is no excuse for that. Aviators just don't miss their flight physicals," said Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr., who retired in 2002 as the Pentagon's director of the Air National Guard, in an interview."

The answer just might be in Post #56...

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

...Ironically, he ended up flying the F102 which was a death trap. He was lucky to survive so many hours in that plane. It took a toll on him as it did most everyone who flew it. Statistically, he might have been safer in Viet Nam. ... facts.

#43 apparently wasn't as dumb as the lefties seem to think he was/is...

"Miss the piss, the wings get clipped."

Result: Don't need to strap up in the F102, live to see the future.

Now, the reason (possible) for no investigation? The Generals would have had to admit the plane sucked in the "surviability" category. One pilot, getting his wings clipped, beats having to 5h!t-can/ground a whole squadron worth of planes.

Where's the downside/indignation in that? You're not putting a POS airplane in the air to eventually come in for a "non-walkaway" landing...maybe in some dog-forsaken area of Texas where tumbleweeds roam freely...or worse yet, in some kids' backyard, in some suburban section of a Texas town.

At least, #43 maybe didn't want to smoke others (including himself) and possibly put his unit/base in harm's way. Who knows? At least he didn't put in for Purple Hearts due to "dried eyeballs" or "puke splatter" or whatever a pilot could "pu55y out" on and leave his unit behind...he left quietly and with the tacit approval of his superiors.

t walgamuth · #88 12-04-2011, 02:03 PM

I believe CArter was in the Navy....subs.

This whole discussion about whether it is important to have military service to serve as president is just silly. Military service is just one more work experience. Is it a plus? That is debatable.

Moot question really as it is not a requirement to be president.

Larry says it is important to him. OK. He gets to include that in his decision about who to vote for.

I could say I think president should have experience as an Architect since it is an endeavour which requires a broad range of thinking processes and deals with human safety.

spdrun · #89 12-04-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I could say I think president should have experience as an Architect since it is an endeavour which requires a broad range of thinking processes and deals with human safety.

Actually, I'd love to have an architect or engineer as President. Appreciates beauty, is deliberative rather than rash, and has some understanding of technology beyond that of a common schmuck off the street.

t walgamuth · #90 12-04-2011, 05:04 PM

The only pres we had which practiced Architecture was Jefferson.....come to think of it he was a pretty good president!