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Jim B. · #31 12-20-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Joe Arpaio's success, when you look closely, is more based on publicity and self promotion, than actual results or cost effectiveness. Very few outside of AZ ever hear of the in custody deaths, civil lawsuits filed against the Sheriff and his office, the millions in settlements, the number of unserved warrants that the Sheriff is responsible for, the number of frivolous retaliatory investigations and prosecutions he and his supporters have brought against local judges and opposing politicians. Just this year, his chief deputy and deputy chief both resigned while under investigation for misconduct and abuse of office.

I think an element of his popularity is based on the frustration and rage of Arizonans that see their community OVERWHELMED by the flood of illegals that jumped the fence and come here and do not leave but instead mate and multiply and have large amounts of babies (that are automatically US citizens at birth), refuse utterly, to Speak ENGLISH or assimilate in a meaningful way, and contribute little or nothing to the economy because many if not most (married or not) of them remit the majority of their earnings back home to family Mexico or centro/South America.

Worse, some are a criminal element, who rob, or deal drugs , drive uninsured and drunk and wreck lives and commit other vicious crimes. .

The south side of Tucson is a living monument to the breed.

I know that, as I know Tucson pretty well. East side to Ajo, on the west, north from Santa Catalina to Green Valley in the south,....

If you are anglo, and immersed in it daily, the Sheriff's enforcement would NOT be derided that much, and I think that is how come, despite his abuses, he is popular and remains so. (I think he is in Phoenix/Maricopa County)

I feel there is a justifiable, HUGE groundswell of public rage.

Personally as someone that has been a sponser of ONE single immigrant (from Peru) that navigated successfully the expensive and time consuming LEGAL path through the INS that led her to legal residency and subsequent US citizenship, I feel well qualified to speak to this.

I have NO sympathy for the illegals, nor the people that hire them, at all.

Though I have spoken to several and learned their individual tales of sorrow and financial misery that caused them to jump the fence.

And knowing many latino families, who are here legally, the reason I believe it is a sensitive political football is because in every case, there is one or more relative, somewhere, who has immigration status "issues".

From my marriage to the Pervian, I bonded very well with Uncle Nestor, who was a esteemed Professor of Engineering at a prestigious University in Lima.

I enjoyed him immensely; he took me to dinner at the University Club which was upper class Society at its finest..

But we had wild times together; 8 of us in the family would pile into his old 1983 red VW Brasilian made bug and go to the Clubs and get wasted and dance.

Those Peruvian weekend parties NEVER ended. After the bars closed at 2-3 am, Nestor knew where to go --- to the beach, where poor people had set up informal drinks bars, where at 4-5 in the mornings they would mix and sell you Pisco Sours, as many as you wanted.

Some of the best times I have ever had. Everyone pretty drunk happy, celebrating life and having a good time. Don't know if Nestor was too drunk to drive - it seemed not, and car insurance, most people in Peru did not have any.

But he was not doing well financially...

A few years later, Nestor got a tourist Visa to see some of "our" family in Miami, (gateway to South America btw)

It was for 6 months.

But he overstayed it and never came back to Peru.

He just........POOFED.

We heard a rumour a couple of years later that he was in Texas.

But we don't know.

I have never seen him again, since I was in Peru back then.

Honus · #32 12-20-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

I think an element of his popularity is based on the frustration and rage of Arizonans that see their community OVERWHELMED by the flood of illegals that jumped the fence and come here and do not leave but instead mate and multiply and have large amounts of babies that are autmatically US citizens, refuse utterly, to Speak ENGLISH or assimilate in a meaningful way, and contribute little or nothing to the economy because many of them remit the majority of their earnings back home to Mexico or centro/South America.

That sort of frustration is understandable, but I would still like to know whether there is any reason to think that Arpaio's methods are effective?

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Worse, some are a criminal element, who rob, or deal drugs , drive uninsured and drunk and wreck lives...

I thought you said that they refused to assimilate.

MTI · #33 12-20-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

Mexicans and Hispanics are NOT a seperate race, and since most of Sheriff Joe's actions seem to be aimed towards hispanics/mexicans illegally in teh country, where is the racism?

Justice Dept has been after him for years, untold money spent trying to get a case against him instead of focusing on issues involving real crimes, but with eric holder as attorney general, no surprise where the focus is, esp in an upcoming elecetion year. Follow the money...

Yes, the Justice Department has been after him . . . before Eric Holder. The current investigation report was undertaken by the previous administration, so the concerns span political orientation.

Since being elected as sheriff, the MCSO has paid out over $40M in settlements due to wrongful deaths and other negligence; and today, closing statements in disbarment proceedings for former county prosecutors are being held for their frivolous suits against Arpaio's critics . . . four judges and members of the county board of supervisors.

Again, you have to be here to know the full extent of the Sheriff and the MCSO.

Jim, I not aware of how many "anglo" business owners who hire illegal immigrants Sheriff Joe Arpaio has rounded up and prosecuted.

Honus · #34 12-20-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

...but with eric holder as attorney general, no surprise where the focus is...

What does that mean? If the Civil Rights Division isn't supposed to focus on this issue, what sort of issue should they be pursuing? This one is right in their wheel house, if you ask me.

elchivito · #35 12-20-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Jim, I not aware of how many "anglo" business owners who hire illegal immigrants Sheriff Joe Arpaio has rounded up and prosecuted.

I am. Almost none, with the exception of some real high profile feathers in Joe's size 8 hat. Just as drugs are going to come across the border as long as there is a market for them here, illegal workers will come as long as there are people willing to hire them. The focus has to be on employers, not bus boys and gardeners.

By the way, the notion that since hispanic is not a race there can be no such thing as racial profiling is absurd. Mincing words is a silly rationale.

panZZer · #36 12-20-2011, 05:32 PM

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How do you get yours? Most of ours walk or wade across a border. I would think that would be considerably more difficult for Australia.

Thats only in Texas--like armadillos. The rest of the border is Real Dry.

MTUpower · #37 12-21-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

By the way, the notion that since hispanic is not a race there can be no such thing as racial profiling is absurd. Mincing words is a silly rationale.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

elchivito · #38 12-21-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Who says?

Immigration officials will no longer use controversial Sheriff Joe Arpaio's officers to screen detainees in Maricopa County prisons, the agency said Monday in a letter to U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona.
The decision follows the agency's decision to revoke Arpaio's authority to access its immigration database, and comes in the wake of a Justice Department investigation that concluded that his office engaged in a pattern and practice of civil rights violations and discrimination against Latinos.
The self-proclaimed "America's Toughest Sheriff," is also under fire for his failure to investigate over 400 cases of sexual and child abuse, as well as having been found by the courts to run his jails in a way that violates Constitutional protections.

Read more: ICE Replaces Arpaio Officers to Screen Arizona Jail Inmates | Fox News Latino

Jim B. · #39 12-21-2011, 09:21 AM

While it is true there probably abuses that are ongoing, I think a lot of this is a nothing but a bunch of political grandstanding and "politically correct" posturing.

Until there is meaningful reform that includes harsh disincentives for people to hire Illegals, they will keep coming over the border, and for every 10 foot fence we erect, they will come with an 11 foot ladder.

elchivito · #40 12-21-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

While it is true there probably abuses that are ongoing, I think a lot of this is a nothing but a bunch of political grandstanding and "politically correct" posturing.

Until there is meaningful reform that includes harsh disincentives for people to hire Illegals, they will keep coming over the border, and for every 10 foot fence we erect, they will come with an 11 foot ladder.

Exactly right. The onus has to be on employers. The folks seeking the jobs are desperate enough to risk life and limb to get here. They won't come if nobody'll hire them.

MTI · #41 12-21-2011, 12:01 PM

Arpaio Supporters Speak Out

The report speaks for itself. For those not familiar, Sun City is mostly a Del Webb planned community for seniors.

elchivito · #42 12-21-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Arpaio Supporters Speak Out

The report speaks for itself. For those not familiar, Sun City is mostly a Del Webb planned community for seniors.

Gee, Sun City, what a surprise. Two significant demographics:

Median age in Sun City. 75
Racial census data 95.1% White

Now there's a real microcosm of the rest of the state all right. These are the same old farts who don't want to pay property taxes to schools because THEIR kids are already grown. blue hair, plaid pants and golf carts. I betcha dollars to donuts their are illegals cutting the grass and washing the dishes in the Geezer's Yahtzee Club kitchen right under their noses.
pssssht...

elchivito · #43 12-21-2011, 02:08 PM

And what is that, a Michigan or N. Dakota accent on that first old gal in the video who says Arpaio's "the best thing that ever happened to this state."? HTF would she know? She's clearly not an Arizonan by any stretch of the imagination.