Had to deal with a little situation tonight... - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

jplinville · #1 09-03-2012, 09:51 PM

Shortly after the kids moved here, my son had an issue with a kid down the street. This kid has tried for months to get my son into a fight with him, each time my son has walked away. He's walked away even in front of his girlfriend, telling her that fighting him wasn't worth the effort of breaking a sweat.

Tonight, my son and some neighborhood friends were out in the street passing football. This kid is on the same football team as my son, and asked if he could join. My son and his friends agreed to let him in, since he's on the team. During the passing, the kid started running his mouth about my son's throwing, and my son showed him what a near perfect spiral looks like. The kid ran up to my son, with fists, and took a swing. My son grabbed his arm, then used his body weight and momentum against him and threw him to the ground. My son told him to knock it off. The kid then jumped up and took another swing at him, at which time my son decided he'd had enough. He put the kid in a head lock, punched him twice in the nose, and let him go and turned to walk away. The kid came back for more by grabbing my son from behind. My son spun around and put the kid in a headlock again, then ran the kids head into the door of his dad's truck.

The entire time, this kids dad is on the porch, egging his kid on and telling him to kick my son's a$$.

After my son was done, he came straight home and told us. I went outside to talk to some of the adults and older teenagers that saw it happen, and they confirmed everything that happened. About 5 minutes later, cops and an ambulance showed up. The ambulance gave the kid an icepack, and the cops wanted to talk to my son. I made my son stand inside the house at the screen door, and tell the cops everything that happened...and the cops interviewed the parents and older teens. They decided to do nothing, since the other kid started it.

Since my son followed my rules, tried to walk away, tried to NOT go physical, didn't swing first, and in the end, won the fight, I have no reason to discipline him. My main concern is that this won't be the end of it. This kids dad was egging it on, telling his son to drop my son, to hit him in the groin, etc.

The cops know of my concern, and told me to call them if I think they are needed. I'll be heading up to have a talk with the kids dad tomorrow...it ought to be an interesting talk. As much as I hate bullies, I already view this father as such. I've dealt with people of his ilk in the past...and it wasn't very pretty. I hope this can be handled like adults, but I doubt this guy knows how to be one.

Tomorrow should be fun.

David Wilson · #2 09-03-2012, 10:00 PM

Good luck with that. I don't see you winning this guy over to your side though. Be prepared to use the authorities as needed.
Take a witness with you.

t walgamuth · #3 09-03-2012, 10:03 PM

Probably will do no good to talk to the dad, especially if at his house. I woudn't discipline the son either.

My experience with bullys is if you stand up to them they usually back down.

I wouldn't be surprised if the kid wants to be friends with your son now.

cullennewsom · #4 09-03-2012, 10:06 PM

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The entire time, this kids dad is on the porch, egging his kid on and telling him to kick my son's a$$.

That's not polite.

jplinville · #5 09-03-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Probably will do no good to talk to the dad, especially if at his house. I woudn't discipline the son either.

My experience with bullys is if you stand up to them they usually back down.

I wouldn't be surprised if the kid wants to be friends with your son now.

I don't think I'll have much problem with him after I talk to him tomorrow. If you've ever seen pictures of me, you'll know what I mean.

I doubt that will happen. This same kid has hit my son on the bus, then yelled for the bus driver when my son tried to "return the favor". My son ended up with a one day in school suspension last year because of it...but didn't serve it after I dealt with the school about it. It's funny how they change their minds when there's an entire bus full of kids telling the truth on what rally happened.

Dudesky · #6 09-03-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Shortly after the kids moved here, my son had an issue with a kid down the street. This kid has tried for months to get my son into a fight with him, each time my son has walked away. He's walked away even in front of his girlfriend, telling her that fighting him wasn't worth the effort of breaking a sweat.

Tonight, my son and some neighborhood friends were out in the street passing football. This kid is on the same football team as my son, and asked if he could join. My son and his friends agreed to let him in, since he's on the team. During the passing, the kid started running his mouth about my son's throwing, and my son showed him what a near perfect spiral looks like. The kid ran up to my son, with fists, and took a swing. My son grabbed his arm, then used his body weight and momentum against him and threw him to the ground. My son told him to knock it off. The kid then jumped up and took another swing at him, at which time my son decided he'd had enough. He put the kid in a head lock, punched him twice in the nose, and let him go and turned to walk away. The kid came back for more by grabbing my son from behind. My son spun around and put the kid in a headlock again, then ran the kids head into the door of his dad's truck.

The entire time, this kids dad is on the porch, egging his kid on and telling him to kick my son's a$$.

After my son was done, he came straight home and told us. I went outside to talk to some of the adults and older teenagers that saw it happen, and they confirmed everything that happened. About 5 minutes later, cops and an ambulance showed up. The ambulance gave the kid an icepack, and the cops wanted to talk to my son. I made my son stand inside the house at the screen door, and tell the cops everything that happened...and the cops interviewed the parents and older teens. They decided to do nothing, since the other kid started it.

Since my son followed my rules, tried to walk away, tried to NOT go physical, didn't swing first, and in the end, won the fight, I have no reason to discipline him. My main concern is that this won't be the end of it. This kids dad was egging it on, telling his son to drop my son, to hit him in the groin, etc.

The cops know of my concern, and told me to call them if I think they are needed. I'll be heading up to have a talk with the kids dad tomorrow...it ought to be an interesting talk. As much as I hate bullies, I already view this father as such. I've dealt with people of his ilk in the past...and it wasn't very pretty. I hope this can be handled like adults, but I doubt this guy knows how to be one.

Tomorrow should be fun.

24 months for civil suit.

The Swede · #7 09-03-2012, 10:42 PM

Go kick the Dad's as5.

Jim B. · #8 09-03-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Wilson

Good luck with that. I don't see you winning this guy over to your side though. Be prepared to use the authorities as needed.
Take a witness with you.

Take a can of pepper spray with you too. Have your witness immediately spray it in his eyes, nose and mouth if the douchebag rushes you or attacks you.

Then YOU take out your cell phone, dial 911 and scream bloody murder and hang up in the middle of the scream -- I GUARANTEE you a 911 hangup will bring the cops over ( "Code 3" ) right away. To them it could be a murder or attempted murder "in progress".

Sounds like the guy is a loose cannon.

Stoney · #9 09-04-2012, 07:19 AM

I dealt with this sort of merde a lot when I was growing up in the South. They see you are better than them and are determined to bring you to their level ...and then they blame you.

You will never win against morons like this. Your son did exactly the same as I did , except I got my ass kicked a few times but I never stopped getting up off the ground to face them when forced into a corner (usually 3 on 1).

Tell him when he comes back for his High School reunion, he will find out that they never left home and made anything of themselves or ended up in jail for spousal abuse, etc...

Sounds like you taught him well. Just watch the Father, he is the real problem.

layback40 · #10 09-04-2012, 07:31 AM

jp,
I do think you should have a witness with you. It would not hurt to have your mobile going as a recorder if it has that feature.
Good luck !
I am sure you will keep your cool & try & reason with the guy.
Dont expect too much from some one who is clearly as bad as his son.
Make sure the boys are not about.

We look forward to hearing how you get on.

MTUpower · #11 09-04-2012, 08:11 AM

One of the reason I bought a iphone was so I could video anything anytime. A video of a fight can be used to defend yourself or anyone of accusations later- a dozen people with differing descriptions of the event most likely cannot. Bullies hate being taped while bullying.

MTUpower · #12 09-04-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoney

I dealt with this sort of merde a lot when I was growing up in the South. They see you are better than them and are determined to bring you to their level ...and then they blame you.

You will never win against morons like this. Your son did exactly the same as I did , except I got my ass kicked a few times but I never stopped getting up off the ground to face them when forced into a corner (usually 3 on 1).

Tell him when he comes back for his High School reunion, he will find out that they never left home and made anything of themselves or ended up in jail for spousal abuse, etc...

Sounds like you taught him well. Just watch the Father, he is the real problem.

Is there "black trash" as well? Could you use that term and not be considered a racist?

There is no need to describe the perceived color of the people- it only inflames with no positive result.

t walgamuth · #13 09-04-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Is there "black trash" as well? Could you use that term and not be considered a racist?

There is no need to describe the perceived color of the people- it only inflames with no positive result.

Oh yeah, I don't mind being called just "trash" but being called "white trash" really sets me off!

Benz Fan · #14 09-04-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Shortly after the kids moved here, my son had an issue with a kid down the street. This kid has tried for months to get my son into a fight with him, each time my son has walked away. He's walked away even in front of his girlfriend, telling her that fighting him wasn't worth the effort of breaking a sweat.

Tonight, my son and some neighborhood friends were out in the street passing football. This kid is on the same football team as my son, and asked if he could join. My son and his friends agreed to let him in, since he's on the team. During the passing, the kid started running his mouth about my son's throwing, and my son showed him what a near perfect spiral looks like. The kid ran up to my son, with fists, and took a swing. My son grabbed his arm, then used his body weight and momentum against him and threw him to the ground. My son told him to knock it off. The kid then jumped up and took another swing at him, at which time my son decided he'd had enough. He put the kid in a head lock, punched him twice in the nose, and let him go and turned to walk away. The kid came back for more by grabbing my son from behind. My son spun around and put the kid in a headlock again, then ran the kids head into the door of his dad's truck.

The entire time, this kids dad is on the porch, egging his kid on and telling him to kick my son's a$$.

After my son was done, he came straight home and told us. I went outside to talk to some of the adults and older teenagers that saw it happen, and they confirmed everything that happened. About 5 minutes later, cops and an ambulance showed up. The ambulance gave the kid an icepack, and the cops wanted to talk to my son. I made my son stand inside the house at the screen door, and tell the cops everything that happened...and the cops interviewed the parents and older teens. They decided to do nothing, since the other kid started it.

Since my son followed my rules, tried to walk away, tried to NOT go physical, didn't swing first, and in the end, won the fight, I have no reason to discipline him. My main concern is that this won't be the end of it. This kids dad was egging it on, telling his son to drop my son, to hit him in the groin, etc.

The cops know of my concern, and told me to call them if I think they are needed. I'll be heading up to have a talk with the kids dad tomorrow...it ought to be an interesting talk. As much as I hate bullies, I already view this father as such. I've dealt with people of his ilk in the past...and it wasn't very pretty. I hope this can be handled like adults, but I doubt this guy knows how to be one.

Tomorrow should be fun.

If you show up at that idiot's house, he'll file some form of complaint, and I guarantee another visit from the police department. You need a buffer, in the form of a magistrate/justice of the peace, to address this matter.

cmbdiesel · #15 09-04-2012, 10:59 AM

Not sure what the point of visiting the father/parents is. What do you expect to accomplish?

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I've dealt with people of his ilk in the past...and it wasn't very pretty. I hope this can be handled like adults, but I doubt this guy knows how to be one.

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I don't think I'll have much problem with him after I talk to him tomorrow. If you've ever seen pictures of me, you'll know what I mean.

Sounds to me like you are going to go do a little intimidating and bullying of your own. Should serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the problem nicely. Not exactly what you have been preaching to your son.

Remember, kids can get away with a little fighting and the law will chalk it up to being kids. You go up there and get into a fight with this DB, and you will likely end up in the hoosegow.

Sure am glad I don't live where you live, seems like you are surrounded by douchebags....

Best of luck.