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The Clk Man · #1 12-26-2011, 11:54 PM

Dinner?...It is estimated that everyone eats genetically engineered food daily. I think I'm switching to locally grown and canned food.

Can't Know · #2 12-27-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Dinner?...It is estimated that everyone eats genetically engineered food daily. I think I'm switching to locally grown and canned food.

Locally grown or canned might still be G.E. G.E. corn, for example, is grown all over the country.

The Clk Man · #3 12-27-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know

Locally grown or canned might still be G.E. G.E. corn, for example, is grown all over the country.

That much is true. According to what I have learned, these people that are working on GE food, don't know exactly what they are doing. That scares me.

Skippy · #4 12-27-2011, 02:03 AM

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That much is true. According to what I have learned, these people that are working on GE food, don't know exactly what they are doing. That scares me.

Yeah. I saw a documentary called "The World According to Monsanto" which was largely about GM corn. Scary stuff. I don't think it needs to be banned, but I think they should have to label anything containing GMO's as such. That would make it a bit easier for those who wish to avoid being guinea pigs to do so.

elchivito · #5 12-27-2011, 09:51 AM

GM'd corn is everywhere. Corn cross polinates easily. Monsanto has successfully sued farmers for growing "patented" corn that they didn't pay for, because their corn crossed with a neighbor's who was growing RoundUp Ready Corn. While it's not 100 percent effective, eating what's in season and as local as you can is your only real protection. Stop eating prepared, boxed "convenience" foods. They all contain GM corn or corn by products in some way. Monsanto is so big, and so powerful that virtually all of the corn grown for industry is their seed. RoundUp ready corn was developed to resist heavy spraying with Glyphosate, the weed killer in RoundUp. Guess who makes RoundUp? The label on RoundUp would have us believe it's harmless unless you're a weed. It appears nothing is further from the truth. There's lots of info out there. Here's one:
CENSORED News – The Lethal Dangers of “Roundup” Made by Monsanto « Genetically Modified Foods, The Silent Killer

Think you don't eat corn? Think again:

Products that use Corn

Adhesives (glues, pastes, mucilages, gums, etc.)
Aluminum
Antibiotics (penicillin)
Asbestos insulation
Aspirin
Automobiles (everything on wheels)
xxx- cylinder heads
xxx- ethanol - fuel & windshield washer fluid
xxx- spark plugs
xxx- synthetic rubber finishes
xxx- tires
Baby food
Batteries, dry cell
Beer
Breakfast cereals
Candies
Canned vegetables
Carbonated beverages
Cheese spreads
Chewing gum
Chocolate products
Coatings on wood, paper & metal
Colour carrier in paper & textile, printing
Corn chips
Corn meal
Cosmetics
C.M.A. (calcium magnesium acetate)
Crayon and chalk
Degradable plastics
Dessert powders
Dextrose (intravenous solutions, icing sugar)
Disposable diapers
Dyes
Edible oil
Ethyl and butyl alcohol
Explosives - firecrackers
Finished leather
Flour & grits

Frozen foods
Fructose
Fuel ethanol
Gypsum wallboard
Ink for stamping prices in stores
Insecticides
Instant coffee & tea
Insulation, fibreglass
James, jellies and preserves
Ketchup
Latex paint
Leather tanning
Licorice
Livestock feed
Malted products
Margarine
Mayonnaise
Mustard, prepared
Paper board, (corrugating, laminating, cardboard)
Paper manufacturing
Paper plates & Cups
Peanut butter
Pharmaceuticals - The Life Line of The Hospital
Potato chips
Rugs, carpets
Salad dressings
Shaving cream & lotions
Shoe polish
Soaps and cleaners
Soft drinks
Starch & glucose (over 40 types)
Syrup
Tacos, tortillas
Textiles
Toothpaste
Wallpaper
Wheat bread
Whiskey
Yogurts

Question: Of 10,000 items in a typical grocery store, how many would you guess would contain corn in one form or another?
Answer: At least 2,500 items use corn in some form during the production or processing.
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How Corn is Used in Some of these Products

Beer
Beer manufacturing is a process of treating malt to convert and extract the barley starch to fermentable sugars using the amyloytic enzymes present in malt followed by yeast fermentation. However, demand for lighter, less filling beer, especially in the U.S., has permitted use of more refined carbohydrate sources of two types:

a) dry adjuncts, primarily dry milled corn grits, broken rice, refined corn starch, and more recently, dextrose.

b) liquid adjuncts, namely corn syrups

Cake Mixes Cake mixes use a pregelatinized corn starch that will form a paste in cold or warm water. In baked goods that use yeast for rising, dextrose is used as a yeast nutrient.
Candies Corn syrup is used in hard candies to provide a body giving them chewiness and a desirable mouthfeel without excessive sweetness. Candies that are coated use a pyrodextrin corn starch for the coating.
Carbonated Beverages - Coke High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) blended with sucrose in a 50/50 blend is sweeter than the same concentration of sucrose. The use of HFCS in carbonated beverages is common throughout Canada and the U.S.
Cookies Corn starch, corn flour or dextrose may be found in cookies.
Corn Flakes The flaking grits are cooked to a rubbery consistency with syrup, malt, salt and flavouring added. After tempering, the cooked grits are flattened between large steel rolls, followed by toasting in travelling ovens to a golden brown colour.
Corn Starch Corn starch is derived from the wet milling process and is an important manufactured product. Some uses depend on the properties in the dry state, but most applications relate to its properties as a cooked, hydrated paste.
Corn Meal Corn meal is a popular dry corn product because of its long shelf life. It is used to produce an assortment of chemically leavened bread and fried products like corn bread and muffins.
Cosmetics Corncobs, when finely ground, are relatively dust free and very absorbent. This absorbency makes corncobs useful carriers for pesticides, fertilizers, vitamins, hand soaps, cosmetics and animal litters.
Granola Dips/Granola Bars Some types of Granola Dips use dextrose as a sweetener.
Gypsum Wallboard Starch-containing corn flour is gelatinized during the manufacturing process; It functions by controlling the rate of water loss during drying of the board. Soluble carbohydrates migrate to the surface and control the rate of crystallization of the gypsum, providing a strong bond between the gypsum and the liner.
Instant Coffee & Tea Maltodextrins are derived from the wet milling process. They are a dextrose equivalent product of complete solubility but little or no sweetness. Maltodextrins are sprayed on instant tea and coffee to keep the granules free flowing. This solution is also used in instant soup mixes or other packages where the contents must be be kept free flowing.
Mars Bar & Twix Bar Many candy bars contain corn syrup.
Paint and Varnish Tetrahydrofurfuryl alcohol is a resin developed from processing corncobs. These resins are useful in the paint and varnish industry as solvents for dyes, resins, and lacquers.
Paper Products Paper products use raw starch in the manufacturing process. The properties of high paste viscosity and strong gels are useful in specially coated papers. Pyrodextrins are also used for paper manufacturing for the adhesive property on remoistenable gums for postage stamps and packaging tape.
Pharmaceuticals
Aspirin - an oxidized starch paste, which dries to a clear, adherent, continuous film, is spread in a thin layer over the aspirin.Intravenous - some IVs consist of dextrose and water solutions.

Antibiotics - preferred carbohydrate sources are corn syrup, dextrose, corn starch, lactose and sucrose. Cornsteep liquor was early found to provide a ready source of soluble nitrogenous nutrients plus unknown growth factors that stimulate antibiotic production.

Over 85 different types of antibiotics are produced using corn.

Snack Foods - Corn Chips & Doritos These snack foods are generally made from whole corn (cornmeal). The high starch content of cornmeal and flour is important in giving a high puff in preparation of extruded (pressed) snack products in which a delicate corn flavour is desired.
Spark Plugs Starch is used in the production of the porcelain part of spark plugs.
Tire, Rubber In the production of tires, corn starch is sprinkled on the molds before pouring the rubber, to prevent the rubber from sticking to the molds.
Toothpaste Sorbitol, which is produced from the corn sugar dextrose, is used in toothpaste as a low-calorie, water-soluble, bulking agent.
Whiskey The major carbohydrate in the production of whiskey is corn.A typical Canadian whiskey is made from a mixture of about 90% corn, 5% rye, and 5% barley malt.
Yogurt Some of the different brands of yogurt use corn syrup as a sweetener.

Education - A Zillions Uses for Corn!

Oh yeah, and the "healthy" soy based stuff you buy and eat? It's GM too, and brought to you by Monsanto.

aklim · #6 12-27-2011, 01:24 PM

A few years ago, when Chronic Wasting Disease appeared in the deer population, there was huge panic and the DNR jumped on the ball and slaughtered deer herds, etc, etc.

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Although CWD is a contagious fatal disease among deer and elk, research suggests that humans, cattle and other domestic livestock are resistant to natural transmission. While the possibility of human infection remains a concern, it is important to note there have been no verified cases of humans contracting CWD.

Perhaps this is one of those cases. Everyone is worried because we have crossed the threshold of the god or gods and it could be disasterous. It could but is there any proof yet before we start panicking?

elchivito · #7 12-27-2011, 01:40 PM

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A few years ago, when Chronic Wasting Disease appeared in the deer population, there was huge panic and the DNR jumped on the ball and slaughtered deer herds, etc, etc.

Perhaps this is one of those cases. Everyone is worried because we have crossed the threshold of the god or gods and it could be disasterous. It could but is there any proof yet before we start panicking?

Sure there is. This sort of goes to CLK's other post worrying about viruses. Ever heard of Bovine Spongiform Encepalopathy?
I don't think we panic, but to be a happy idiot and blindly go along with the notion that corporations like Monsanto have our best interests at heart and continue buying and eating the poison they pass off as food is dumb as dumb gets in my opinion. The food industry is playing with fire, and we, the happy idiots are financing our own doom.

As Stephen King's Sharp Cereal Professor said: "Nope, nothing wrong here!!"

aklim · #8 12-27-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Sure there is. This sort of goes to CLK's other post worrying about viruses. Ever heard of Bovine Spongiform Encepalopathy?

I don't think we panic, but to be a happy idiot and blindly go along with the notion that corporations like Monsanto have our best interests at heart and continue buying and eating the poison they pass off as food is dumb as dumb gets in my opinion. The food industry is playing with fire, and we, the happy idiots are financing our own doom.

As far as BSE went, weren't there something like a couple hundred cases despite of how contaminated they told us the beef we had was? As to CWD, I have yet to see one case of transmission proven despite the western states having had it since the 70s, IIRC. Never mind enough to really prove anything. In fact, I was reading that the contaminated areas had the same occurrence of the human form of the disease as non contaminated areas. So to me, that isn't really proof.

I can't imagine being that naive that I would believe anyone has my best interests at heart besides myself unless that person will go down when I go down, that is. However, before I call it poison, I want proof positive.

dlssmith · #9 12-27-2011, 02:32 PM

Whether corn is GE or not, it will pack on the pounds, if you eat it. Want to lose weight? Stop eating corn and all the products it is in.

elchivito · #10 12-27-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

As far as BSE went, weren't there something like a couple hundred cases despite of how contaminated they told us the beef we had was? As to CWD, I have yet to see one case of transmission proven despite the western states having had it since the 70s, IIRC. Never mind enough to really prove anything. In fact, I was reading that the contaminated areas had the same occurrence of the human form of the disease as non contaminated areas. So to me, that isn't really proof.

I can't imagine being that naive that I would believe anyone has my best interests at heart besides myself unless that person will go down when I go down, that is. However, before I call it poison, I want proof positive.

What sort of proof? Would a pandemic fit your definition? When everyone in the neighborhood keels over in the street?
Nothing Wrong Here!

Ara T. · #11 12-27-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dlssmith

Whether corn is GE or not, it will pack on the pounds, if you eat it. Want to lose weight? Stop eating corn and all the products it is in.

There is 130 or so calories in a serving of corn

Thats one cup of kernels or one big ear of corn.

It has a fair amount of protein and fiber as well

aklim · #12 12-27-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

What sort of proof? Would a pandemic fit your definition? When everyone in the neighborhood keels over in the street?
Nothing Wrong Here!

Would a sneeze fit your definition? Obviously so. What I am looking for is some science that says there is some sort of correlation and not just someone who died while eating venison with no investigation done and declaring it to be the cause.

There has to be a certain population size, sample size, etc, etc and not just guesswork. Put another way, you are accusing something of doing a bad thing. What would you expect if I was on a jury and you were accused of some heinous crime like murder or child molestation, rape, etc, etc? How about if the witness described somebody that kinda, sorta looks like you? Would you want me to say "Guilty" and be done with it or have something more concrete?

elchivito · #13 12-27-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ara T.

There is 130 or so calories in a serving of corn

Thats one cup of kernels or one big ear of corn.

It has a fair amount of protein and fiber as well

Very little of the corn consumed in the U.S. is consumed as whole corn. Mostly it's consumed along with a lot of other stuff. In the case of corn chips for example, you have increased fat and salt.
Assuming whole corn consumption without the added butter, salt, cheese etc., you still have to consider that corn has a high glycemic load, contributing to blood sugar spikes, which contribute to the accretion of abdominal fat, calories not withstanding. Abdominal fat is a primary contributor to both diabetes and heart disease.
By the way, the proteins in corn are incomplete. You need to add beans or a meat source to complete them.

elchivito · #14 12-27-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Would a sneeze fit your definition? Obviously so. What I am looking for is some science that says there is some sort of correlation and not just someone who died while eating venison with no investigation done and declaring it to be the cause.

There has to be a certain population size, sample size, etc, etc and not just guesswork. Put another way, you are accusing something of doing a bad thing. What would you expect if I was on a jury and you were accused of some heinous crime like murder or child molestation, rape, etc, etc? How about if the witness described somebody that kinda, sorta looks like you? Would you want me to say "Guilty" and be done with it or have something more concrete?

If there's anything more important to you than the safety, health and security of your food supply, something's wrong. If you'd prefer to go along with the Sharp Cereal Professor, I wish you well. For my health, I prefer to err on the side of caution and, call me a cynic, figure that my best financial as well as health interests are NOT served by corporate monoliths who see no problem patenting living things and forcing farmers into using their products through lawsuits. In addition, call me REAL cynical here, but I take little solace in reassurances by gov't entities who are directly lobbied by and funded by those same corporations. Nothing Wrong Here!

aklim · #15 12-28-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

If there's anything more important to you than the safety, health and security of your food supply, something's wrong. If you'd prefer to go along with the Sharp Cereal Professor, I wish you well. For my health, I prefer to err on the side of caution !

Sure, you can err on the side of caution but that almost sounds paranoid. Forget about the corporate entity for a bit and lets look at something that makes sense. Sure you can simply say that CWD from deer MIGHT infect you too (little corporate interest there) so now you cannot eat venison. What is going to be next? You hear a whisper of some new thing that might be in pigs so lay off pork? How do you draw the line then, again forgetting about corporations because I don't want to cut the nose to spite the face? If you listen enough, you can find something wrong with just about everything including the water you drink. I am a cynic when it comes to mankind myself but even with that, I don't simply jump on a bandwagon when someone thinks there is something wrong with this, that or the other.