How much does AlGore pay you for each post like this?

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Have you watched the film?

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I'm no fan of big Al, jp. You should watch that documentary. It's made by a fellow who was offered 100K dollars to allow fracking on his family farm and who before saying yes decided to investigate the practice. In addition to politicians, scientists, gas company execs, he visited with families across the country whose wells have been ruined and whose property values have dropped to nothing after allowing "safe" fracking to take place on their land. You won't catch anything in the process, why not take a look at both sides of the issue?

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I don't need to watch the movie, I know that hazardous chemicals are used in many wells.

I'm sure, however, if they used a VERY safe alternative as a fracking fluid, there would still be complaints by certain groups. You can't please evervyone.

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Its not the bad practices that come along with fracing its the bad practices that come along with drilling. I have watched that movie and never saw any frac equipment. I know what that stuff looks like because I fix it.
The water well you mention is not far from where I live and they drilled into a shallow gas pocket and had lived for quite a while with no idea that was going on as natural gas is odorless and colourless.

100k for fracking? sounds like bs to me. first they have to drill a well and any land lease agreament is sure to include well stimulation. 100k sounds cheap because "big oil" will have access to that land for the life of the well and that includes enough room to turn around a semi truck.

I'm not speaking of a particular well. If you saw the documentary you know that many wells are discussed.

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Again, if you saw the documentary as you said, the narrator said he was offered a bit over $4K per acre for rights to drill on his land. Total was about 100K. Sounds cheap to me, too, but you can bet they don't pay a penny more than they have to.

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Well I was speaking of of the one in colorado. Care to comment on either of my posts.
If one well in that movie was contaminated by means other that fracking that how about the rest? How much does the movie maker know about the industry. Why blame Halliburton? Some frac companies actually use frac in their name and never get mentioned.

The Truth About Gasland - America's Natural Gas Alliance

Debunking Gasland | Barnett Shale Energy Education Council

Commonwealth Foundation - Gasland Debunked

Here is some reading for you. Guess I was right most of it is bull****. If that dumb kid knew how to negotiate he could have gotten a sweet deal and still made his movie.

Your links are all industry sponsored. Looks to me like they're a tad nervous about the film.

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I dont doubt they're nervous. People like you will watch that tripe and tell anyone that will isten that its true. Read the links I provided and lets discuss this. Want to know whats in the frac fluids? There are thousands in the industry that will tell you. None of it is a secret. Nothing is very exotic either.

It's also exempt from clean water laws. Google "Halliburton loophole" and tell me it's tripe.

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Diesel fuel and benzene. Yup, not very exotic at all. Heck, you can buy diesel fuel at any gas station.

The state of Colorado doesn't seem to think it's all tripe.

Here's a link that isn't industry sponsored whitewash.
Colo. compels disclosure of fracking chemicals

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if we're talking fracking, you've got to look at the complete picture.

it's not just what happens when you drill (does it cause earthquakes, does it contaminate wells), but also what goes into the fracking fluid, how is it stored and disposed of, why are we using drinking water, mixing it with chemicals, and using it for drilling instead of drinking, what happens to the roads when they become dump truck/tanker truck highways, who fits the road construction bills, what about when your bucolic farming community is now an industrial park filled with flood lights, tanker trucks, and all the noises associated with this industry are going 24 hours a day? what about the studies of the rise in crime and crystal meth use in fracking communities?

even if all the regulations are followed, you've just taken a quiet peaceful area and turned it into an industrial zone. for what? to extract gas that we then sell to china while telling the residents it's for energy independence from foreign oil? that's not exaggeration, that's how our economy runs right now, it's fact.

not to mention the failure of bureaucracy as MTI pointed out. everyone knows that regulators will look the other way for the right amount of money. or even if they won't, it's not like our state budgets really allow for enough regulators to do their jobs well. anyone remember the recent oil spill in the gulf or have you already forgotten?

and then there's the flight of those of us who can afford to get out while it's still good. my wife and i are waiting with bated breath to see what cuomo says about fracking in upstate ny. if he allows it in our county, we're out of here. nys looses two educated hard working tax payers who are probably going to start a family soon. nys looses an RN on her way to becoming a nurse practitioner, who would have stuck around and supported both our community and our state. and that's just us, there are plenty of us out there who will leave. many cornell graduates i know are withholding donations to their alma mater until they decide if they're going to fight fracking in their area. people who have lived here all their lives have uprooted their families and started paying taxes in other states, mostly pushing into new england.

and will someone please tell me why these people don't just start using gelled propane to do their fracking? 80% of the arguments against fracking would be off the table with this method in practice. i'd sure feel a lot better about the whole thing.

i guess this is the end of my rant. it's hard to watch a bunch of people who are in no danger of losing their clean water, property value, health, or livelihood, debate something and support something from their safety behind their computer keyboards ten states away. especially those of you who are getting your information from either crazy super left wing chicken-littles and/or self-interested lying super right wing corporations and politicians. this is your backyard guys, this is our country they're talking about messing with to line their pockets.

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