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HuskyMan · #**106** 05-02-2012, 10:14 AM

one of the commentators on CourtTV recently made a statement I found interesting: "The police can lie to you in their quest for the truth".

How does that work?

Honus · #**107** 05-02-2012, 10:32 AM

I think the classic example of permissible police deception is where they put the suspects in separate rooms and tell each that the other has already ratted him out and that he better 'fess up if he knows what's good for him. That sort of lie is clearly permitted.

Txjake · #**108** 05-02-2012, 10:40 AM

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I think the classic example of permissible police deception is where they put the suspects in separate rooms and tell each that the other has already ratted him out and that he better 'fess up if he knows what's good for him. That sort of lie is clearly permitted.

Also, if the investigator comes in with a tape recorder and offers to turn it off for an "off the record" comment. There is still a recording device recording all conversations in the room. A subterfuge, if not an actual lie.

Asking the alleged perpetrator to write a "letter of apology" to the victim of the crime. It becomes a confession, written by the acused, and signed... another subterfuge

HuskyMan · #**109** 05-02-2012, 11:07 AM

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Also, if the investigator comes in with a tape recorder and offers to turn it off for an "off the record" comment. There is still a recording device recording all conversations in the room. A subterfuge, if not an actual lie.

Asking the alleged perpetrator to write a "letter of apology" to the victim of the crime. It becomes a confession, written by the acused, and signed... another subterfuge

A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always?) the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

spdrun · #**110** 05-02-2012, 11:28 AM

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A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always? the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

Sounds like she should have p!ssed on the pigs' feet. On second thought, nah. They'd have enjoyed it too much.

Can't Know · #**111** 05-02-2012, 11:43 AM

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Actually, the USSR didn't have the death penalty for a long time under Stalin. People were just sent to concentration camps to be worked to death or shot while trying to escape.

Or shot for not working hard enough, and buried where they fell, sometimes becoming part of their task:

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Forced labour was used to construct every inch of this incredible project – at first by inmates of labour camps, but later by the unfortunate denizens of the gulags that began springing up all over these near-uninhabitable provinces of Stalin’s Soviet empire. Many were Russian POW’s, banished to the region after being labelled German ‘collaborators’. Many were Russian Christians who refused to renounce their faith under the Communist regime.

Prisoners were chained except when they were working their twelve-hour shifts. Many died during transport alone, and thousands were shot by the officers for not working hard enough. And any worker who died during construction of the road was ‘buried’ where he fell – survivors’ reports indicate that bodies were as common a sight as fallen logs.

A bit more information and a few pictures here: Stalin's Road of Bones

Txjake · #**112** 05-02-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always?) the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

I would have stood up and pissed right where I was....

HuskyMan · #**113** 05-02-2012, 12:07 PM

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I would have stood up and pissed right where I was....

it's a classic case of naivete; when she volunteered to go to the police headquarters to 'clear the matter up', she didn't have any idea what she was stepping into. hopefully, she now has a more clear picture of how the 'justice system' works.