seen all that happening.. And I love the torched cameras - frikkin serves them right

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1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)

I received the fine in the mail finally.

Charge is a 200 dollar fine, and an 85 dollr surcharge, so $285.00 total.

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NEVER talk to the cops when stopped....

The last time I was pulled over, the officer asked me if I knew why...I told him it was probably because I had my CC set at 85 in a 65 zone. Since i was truthful with him about it, he just gave me a warning and told me that there were 2 other officers about a mile up the road...What a nice guy

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Duh???

If The Police Stop You, What RIGHTS Do You Have?

To stop you the police officer must have specific reasons to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you the reason right away.

Rule #1 - Treat the COP like you would want to be treated. When stopped or you encounter a police officer stay calm, be polite and civil.
Rule #2 - Keep your mouth shut!
Even if you're not under arrest you NEVER have to answer ANY questions, (except if the police officer asks for your name, date of birth and address. It's generally a good idea to say the same address that's on your I.D.)
You can be required to show the usual documentation, such as your driver's license, but you do not have to open your window any further than the space to hand it out. You do not have to answer questions about where you are going or where you're coming from. If you are ordered out of your car, lock the door behind you.
Staying silent will not hurt you. Do not let the police persuade you to talk.
The officer may not like this and may challenge you with words like,"If you have nothing to hide, why won't you speak to me?" They may tell you that staying quiet will make things worse for you or that they'll go easy on you if you talk but this is not true. You have every right to refuse to speak with the police. And you shouldn't speak to them, unless you have first consulted with a lawyer who has advised you differently and who is present when you speak with the police officer.
Anything you say can and WILL be used against you! So keep your mouth shut and say nothing!
Some cops are worse than others and a lot of them may treat you differently if they think you know your rights. The police depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want. If you run into a really bad cop, talking back to him and standing up for your rights might get you arrested or beaten, so be careful about the realistic limits of "the law" and of your rights as an American. Cops are perhaps the most dangerous members of our society, so be careful when you talk to them.
ALSO NEVER SIGN ANYTHING!!! Never sign anything a police officer or a federal agent might give you, other than a traffic warning or traffic citation.
Anything You Say Can And Will Be Used Against You!

On traffic stops the police usually will ask you "personal" questions such as, where are you going, where have you been, who did you see, how long did you visit, ect. At that point it's the perfect time to exercise your RIGHTS by asking the officer,"AM I FREE TO GO?" There is NO legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers! In other words, it's none of the police officers damn business! There is NO law that says you must tell a police officer where you are going or where you have been.

Keep your mouth shut and say nothing!
Remember there is no legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers!
There are only three things you need to tell a cop: 1. Your name 2. Your date of Birth 3. Your address After that keep your mouth shut! If they ask you anything else, exercise your RIGHTS by asking, "AM I FREE TO GO?" Talking to the police is your decision, not their right! The police must respect your decision on this matter and are forbidden by law to coerce you. Again silence is golden if you even suspect there is the possibility you are a suspect. Get a lawyer and keep quiet.
Car Searches and Body Searches

Remember they wouldn't ask you if they didn't need your permission!
A Police officer swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, not to violate your rights against unreasonable search and seizure. If a cop ask or tries to search you, your home or your car, repeatedly say…
"I DON'T CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH!"
You DON'T have to give consent to a law enforcement officer to search your vehicle or home. While you DON'T have to consent, bear in mind that the expectation of privacy in a car is less than the expectation of privacy in your home. Based in part on the lessened expectation of privacy in a car, law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a warrant less search of a car if the officer has probable cause. In some cases the police officer will lie and make up a probable cause.
Just for being stopped for traffic violation should not allow the officer to search your car; however, if the officer saw you throw an empty beer can out the window, that may be sufficient probable cause to search your car. If the officer smells marijuana as he approaches the car, he then may have suspicion to search. A lot of times the officer usually will lie and say that he smells a "suspicious" smell. Guess what, the officer now has probable cause at which point he may now search your car.
If the Police Come to Your Home-You Don't Have to Open the Door!
If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you DON'T have to open the door unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. Such an invitation not only gives the police officer the opportunity to look around for clues to your lifestyle, friends, reading material, etc; but also tends to prolong the conversation.
There is no law that says you have to open your door to a police officer!
Ask to see the search warrant and make sure it is signed BY A JUDGE, has the correct date, correct address, and apartment number, ect.
* However, in some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside, or when the police are chasing someone) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT The First Amendment prohibits government from abridging "the right of the people peaceably to assemble." This basic freedom ensures that the spirit of the First Amendment survives and thrives even when the majority of citizens would rather suppress expression it finds offensive.
Over the course of our history, freedom of assembly has protected individuals espousing myriad viewpoints. Striking workers, civil rights advocates, anti-war demonstrators and Ku Klux Klan marchers have all taken to the streets and sidewalks in protest or in support of their causes. Sometimes these efforts have galvanized public support or changed public perceptions. Imagine a civil rights movement without the March on Washington or the women's suffrage movement without ranks of long-skirted, placard-carrying suffragists filling city streets.
The U.S. Supreme Court recognized the importance of this freedom in the 1937 case De Jonge v. State of Oregon, writing that "the right to peaceable assembly is a right cognate to those of free speech and free press and is equally fundamental." According to the Court the right to assemble is "one that cannot be denied without violating those fundamental principles which lie at the base of all civil and political institutions." In De Jonge, the high court struck down an Oregon "criminal syndicalism" law that prohibited advocacy of "any unlawful acts or methods as a means of accomplishing or effecting industrial or political change or revolution." Dirk De Jonge had been convicted for teaching communist doctrine to a gathering of 300 people. The Supreme Court reversed his conviction, ruling that "the holding of meetings for peaceable political action cannot be proscribed."
The First Amendment protects peaceful, not violent, assembly. However, there must a "clear and present danger" or an "imminent incitement of lawlessness" before government officials may restrict free-assembly rights. Otherwise, the First Amendment's high purpose can too easily be sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. (This imformation provided courtsey of the Law offices of Richard Lester)

^^^ Is that information really from an attorney, including this part: "A lot of times the officer usually will lie and say that he smells a "suspicious" smell...."? [emphasis added]

IMHO, a lawyer shouldn't be saying that sort of thing. It doesn't exactly cast our system of justice in a good light.

In reverse order...if you'd seen the kind of accidents they've had on that stretch of I70 from fools just letting the vehicles "run", you'd understand why they are strict about it. It's not just a speed trap, and naturally, when there's inclement weather, it's worse.

The "pissiest" speeding ticket I ever got was on the way back to Phoenix from skiing at Sunrise in the White Mountains. I had three passengers with me in a Datsun F-10 (a true speedster!) with skis on the roof-rack and rolled into one of the many towns that dot the route. Speed limit 35, I'm doing the needle's width over that. Pulled over and cited for 37 in a 35. I really couldn't believe it. It had nothing to do with the plate either, as I lived in Aridzona at the time, but more that he was a jerk cop full of "duty" (and doodie, too, no doubt).

you know what I mean. dont be silly.

Theres a big difference between reckless driving, and cruising speeding occasionally on the highways 8-10 over. Im sure you do it too, everyone does from time to time.

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That's the truth, though. A lot of cops (not a majority, but a fair number) are f**king careerist pigs who'll lie to get convictions on petty (or not so petty) offenses. Why should an attorney whose vocation is to defend people from being reamed by the injustice system, cast the same system in a good light? Give me a Clarence Darrow or Bill Kunstler over a bootlicker any day.

Really? Do you have evidence the the police "usually" lie about probable cause?I agree with everything but the "not a majority" part. I suspect that it is not a majority, but how would I know?Why shouldn't he?Me too.

Marketing 101? The perception of a safe city never sold any burglar alarms.

The truth will set you free.... if only the truth was the standard.

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yes, it was written by an attorney. I got it from this website

OKCOC

He doesn't need a lecture from me, but it seems questionable for an attorney to be bad mouthing the police like that. We are supposed to promote good will toward the justice system. Some cops will definitely lie about probable cause, but his word choice goes too far for my taste. It seems as if he could get his point across without being quite so negative about the police.

Like I said, though, he doesn't need a lecture from me.