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NOT AT ALL my friend. Science is proving The Bible to be correct almost daily. Just yesterday I watched a show on the History channel where scientist now believe the humans did NOT evolve from apes. They talked about some kind of "F" dna that ONLY exist in humans. I will try to find that info.
I hate to break it to you, but NO scientist that I am aware of, or have ever read about, believes that humans evolved from apes. If the TeeVee program you watched on the History Channel (home to many academically important productions like "Ice Road Truckers", "Ax Men" and "How Bruce Lee Changed the World") actually said those words, they saw you comin' from a hundred yards away.

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Old 04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
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It is NOT a Leap of Faith!!!
That is a Kierkegaard term It is completely irrational, or even beyond reason, and not at all descriptive of Biblical Faith.
It is not a blind leap off the side of the mountain in the hope that there is a ledge just below. It is a response based on knowledge that God is trustworthy in all cases where I can verify, and therefore it is reasonable to extend that trust into areas that are not immediately verifiable.
I don't want to talk about Kierkegaard, ration or irration. To believe a god is good who allows the rape and murder of 400,000 and the displacement and gradual death by starvation and disease of another 2.5 million in a place like Darfur, and to further believe that that god somehow has some inscrutable "plan" that we aren't allowed to be privy to requires not the extension of trust you describe, but a HUGE leap of faith as far as I can see. I see no reason to believe that if this human-shaped and human-acting god really is out there, he gives even the teensiest crap about you, or me.
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I hate to break it to you, but NO scientist that I am aware of, or have ever read about, believes that humans evolved from apes. If the TeeVee program you watched on the History Channel (home to many academically important productions like "Ice Road Truckers", "Ax Men" and "How Bruce Lee Changed the World") actually said those words, they saw you comin' from a hundred yards away.
Proof please.
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That's really basic evolutionary biology, do you need proof.
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That's really basic evolutionary biology, do you need proof.
So you guys don't believe in evolution? please explain.
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Apes are a separate branch of the evolutionary tree. Humans and apes have a common ancestor from many years ago but humans did not descend from apes.
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Apes are a separate branch of the evolutionary tree. Humans and apes have a common ancestor from many years ago but humans did not descend from apes.
Why not? and What makes humans different from apes? and how did the differences happen?
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Apes are a separate branch of the evolutionary tree. Humans and apes have a common ancestor from many years ago but humans did not descend from apes.
Kerry, are you prepared to take responsibility for eroding his belief . . . tread carefully.
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Why not? and What makes humans different from apes? and how did the differences happen?
Read a book on human evolution for the details. Or, just click around the Smithsonian link I posted.
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Kerry, are you prepared to take responsibility for eroding his belief . . . tread carefully.
I will also welcome you to take your best shot at "eroding" my beliefs.
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I will also welcome you to take your best shot at "eroding" my beliefs.
To what end and for what purpose would anyone want to dissuade you from your beliefs which you apparently find comforting and presumably guide you to be a more honest, compasionate and overall better person?

Likewise, why would anyone wish to impose their beliefs on others if those persons were also guided by different beliefs that accomplish the same thing?
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No need to have 'beliefs' about these kinds of issues since there is plenty of knowledge laying around
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Read a book on human evolution for the details. Or, just click around the Smithsonian link I posted.
I'd rather hear your personal beliefs on this subject in you're own words if you don't mind.
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I don't have beliefs on these topics, I have knowledge, by which I mean information gathered by investigation and testing by people familiar with the tools of the trade.

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