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The Clk Man 04-30-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929412)
I don't have beliefs on these topics, I have knowledge, by which I mean information gathered by investigation and testing by people familiar with the tools of the trade.

Do you believe in this knowledge? and would you give up this "Man" derived knowledge if you're "Soul" depended on it? :confused:

kerry 04-30-2012 08:40 PM

I don't 'believe in' knowledge. Knowledge is knowledge. There's no believing or not believing. It just is. It's not something that can be 'given up'. It's the result of inquiry as best as we can engage in it. A person can reject inquiry and base their life of other things like authority, or magic, or dreams, or millions of little bits of nonsense our species has generated over the centuries. Knowledge assumes that these oddities can be overcome with discipline, focus, application of the correct tools, testing of hypotheses, use of logic, discussion of results with like minded people etc. Once you go down the road of inquiry and knowledge, belief is a thing of the past.

A person's soul is lost the minute they are willing to substitute 'belief' for knowledge.

The Clk Man 04-30-2012 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929423)
I don't 'believe in' knowledge. Knowledge is knowledge. There's no believing or not believing. It just is. It's not something that can be 'given up'. It's the result of inquiry as best as we can engage in it. A person can reject inquiry and base their life of other things like authority, or magic, or dreams, or millions of little bits of nonsense our species has generated over the centuries. Knowledge assumes that these oddities can be overcome with discipline, focus, application of the correct tools, testing of hypotheses, use of logic, discussion of results with like minded people etc. Once you go down the road of inquiry and knowledge, belief is a thing of the past.

A person's soul is lost the minute they are willing to substitute 'belief' for knowledge.

Are you willing to make that choice?

kerry 04-30-2012 08:52 PM

I decided a life without soul wasn't worth it a long time ago. That's when I gave up belief and decided to seek knowledge.

The Clk Man 04-30-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929437)
I decided a life without soul wasn't worth it a long time ago. That's when I gave up belief and decided to seek knowledge.

Ok... then, so what you are saying is that in your mind, there is no Lord Jesus Christ?

kerry 04-30-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929444)
Ok... then, so what you are saying is that in your mind, there is no Lord Jesus Christ?

I have little idea how to respond to that? Was there a person behind the Christian religion? Probably. Does he still exist and do magical things for people? Not as far as I know.

The Swede 04-30-2012 09:08 PM

There was the historical figure.

The Clk Man 04-30-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929446)
I have little idea how to respond to that? Was there a person behind the Christian religion? Probably. Does he still exist and do magical things for people? Not as far as I know.

A simple yes or no will suffice. I asked you a direct question and would appreciate a direct answer from yourself.

tbomachines 04-30-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929451)
A simple yes or no will suffice. I asked you a direct question and would appreciate a direct answer from yourself.

How would a simple yes/no suffice? Its a loaded question

kerry 04-30-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929451)
A simple yes or no will suffice. I asked you a direct question and would appreciate a direct answer from yourself.


I gave as direct an answer as I can possibly give. You phrased the question as if it could be given a simple yes or no answer, like 'Is my wife in the next room,' but in fact the question is almost incomprehensible. Are you saying "Is there an invisible guy hanging around in the ether, carrying the title of a feudal ruler and being about 2012 years old?" "Not as far as I know' is the best answer I can give to that kind of question.

The Clk Man 04-30-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929457)
I gave as direct an answer as I can possibly give. You phrased the question as if it could be given a simple yes or no answer, like 'Is my wife in the next room,' but in fact the question is almost incomprehensible. Are you saying "Is there an invisible guy hanging around in the ether, carrying the title of a feudal ruler and being about 2012 years old?" "Not as far as I know' is the best answer I can give to that kind of question.

As I suspected, no commitment on your behalf. I have no further questions for you. I will move on.

Diesel4me 04-30-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929465)
As I suspected, no commitment on your behalf. I have no further questions for you. I will move on.

Well now, isn't that special?

tbomachines 04-30-2012 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929465)
As I suspected, no commitment on your behalf. I have no further questions for you. I will move on.

Not everything is a yes/no situation. The more I learned about religious dogma, philosophy, and theological teachings the more this became boldly visible to me, and at this point it's been quite a bit.

aklim 04-30-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2929457)
I gave as direct an answer as I can possibly give. You phrased the question as if it could be given a simple yes or no answer, like 'Is my wife in the next room,' but in fact the question is almost incomprehensible. Are you saying "Is there an invisible guy hanging around in the ether, carrying the title of a feudal ruler and being about 2012 years old?" "Not as far as I know' is the best answer I can give to that kind of question.

Heisenberg might have a different opinion about that.

aklim 04-30-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2929444)
Ok... then, so what you are saying is that in your mind, there is no Lord Jesus Christ?

How would you respond to that question yourself WITH PROOF?


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