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Easy answer, at the time of the industrial revolution, the south's primary workforce was slave labor. No labor relations with slaves, and a very agricultural industrial base.

The north at the time had a primary and much more numerous immigrant population and was the industrial center of the united states

Yes, although it sounds counterintuitive, the industrial complex had the "sweat shops." The slaves were assets. Most business men take good care of their assets. The immigrants in the sweat shops OTOH were expendable. No investment tied up in THOSE assets.

The Irish were often used in conditions FAR worse than the slaves. In Southern Louisiana in slavery days, they used mostly Irish labor for the dangerous work in the swamps and such. Reason? If they were killed, they go hire another. If they used slaves and a slave was killed, they lost a valuable asset.

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Can you provide any links?

Here's a link from the left:Mother Jones magazine on Tumblr - Chart of the Day: If Scott Walker wins his recall...

Can you provide anything from the right?
Providing some source from the right would just be discredited. How about the Huffington Post?
Are they "right" enough?

You have to read and put the facts together. The article claims $63.5M was spent, total. In the body of the article, they say that Walker spent $30M. Simple math would yield $33.5M spent by the dems. Either way $30M versus $33.5M is not a large difference.

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Easy answer, at the time of the industrial revolution, the south's primary workforce was slave labor. No labor relations with slaves, and a very agricultural industrial base.

The north at the time had a primary and much more numerous immigrant population and was the industrial center of the united states
Labor Unions didn't start then, did they?

I thought the real rise of Big Labor was just about a century ago. Steel, and auto industries. There were some unions in the steel industry prior to that. The unions would have been regional because the manufacturing centers were regional. You don't need a steel workers' union where there is no steel industry.
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Providing some source from the right would just be discredited. How about the Huffington Post?
Are they "right" enough?

You have to read and put the facts together. The article claims $63.5M was spent, total. In the body of the article, they say that Walker spent $30M. Simple math would yield $33.5M spent by the dems. Either way $30M versus $33.5M is not a large difference.

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Maybe I am missing something. The article does say that $63.5M has been spent and that Walker has raised $30.5M. I don't see where it says that the balance of $33.5M was spent by the Democrats.
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Labor Unions didn't start then, did they?

I thought the real rise of Big Labor was just about a century ago. Steel, and auto industries. There were some unions in the steel industry prior to that. The unions would have been regional because the manufacturing centers were regional. You don't need a steel workers' union where there is no steel industry.
im pretty sure they started up in the horrors of the industrial revolution, mid 19th century. There was a steel industry back then, but I was under the impression that the origin of the idea of unions came out of the textile industries.

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says on wiki that better organization started taking place in 1870s and 1880s, and so on into the auto and heavy industry, pretty interesting article.
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im pretty sure they started up in the horrors of the industrial revolution, mid 19th century. There was a steel industry back then, but I was under the impression that the origin of the idea of unions came out of the textile industries.

Labor unions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

says on wiki that better organization started taking place in 1870s and 1880s, and so on into the auto and heavy industry, pretty interesting article.

Yes, I thought that it had more to do with piece work in the big city factories as opposed to heavy industry.

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