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Old 07-03-2012, 04:37 PM
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As opposed to those who have never been anything other than political figures who will "evolve" to anything to get votes and win elections?

Individual mandate = bad-Individual mandate = good!

Gay Marriage = bad-Gay Marriage = good!

Super PACS = bad-Super Pacs = good!

My taking public finacing of my election = good-My taking public finacing of election = bad!
Which is partly the point. If both candidates have "flip flopped" as you say, what is the distinction? Is it merely that ones latest position du jour is conservative?
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:32 PM
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Which is partly the point. If both candidates have "flip flopped" as you say, what is the distinction? Is it merely that ones latest position du jour is conservative?
Well first off I never said that both candidates have flip flopped! You're saying I did but there is no basis in fact to support that.

You attempted to raise a question as to whether potential Romney supports should be concerned about what you have characterised as inconsistent positions. You do so in a manner that seeks to define the willingness(good) or unwillingness(bad) of those potential supporters to agree with your premise.

By my post I simply pointed out that Obama supporters face the somewhat similar but not identical same dilemma, yet you've elected to not mention that comparable circumstance. You make no attempt to examine or question the willingness or unwillingness of Obama supporters to be concerned about not simply the percieved inconsistancies of talked about policy positions (the case with Romney) but in the case of Obama it is inconsistances with his actual policy implimentations. Obama has actually done different than what he has stated, where as Romney has as of yet only stated he would or wouldn't do something and also in the perception of some stated the opposite.

Romney as talked inconsistantly and Obama has acted inconsistantly and you seek to make an issue about what Romney is saying and if his potential supporters give that the import you feel it should have for them. All the while you ignore the inconsistancy of Obama's actions and raise no question or concern about whether potential Obama supporters give the similar import and you have elected not express, imply, or question if they should.

Your construct of an equivilancy between Romney flip-flops and Obama flip-flops depends entirely on your ommitting the fact that Romney has engaged in flip flop talk and Obama has engaged in flip flop action.

To respond to your second question. I'm of the opinion that potenial supporters probably evaluate the import along two basis lines, the overall degree of importantance a particular "inconstitancy" should have i.e., big important issue vs. little insignificant issue. Then a second line of evaluation would be the direction that any "inconsistancy" appears to signal, i.e. a newly conflicting position that trends towards conservative positions may engender support from potential Romney supporters who view that as a "coming around to us" signal, likewise supporters on some other tangent of the same spectrum might view it as "going to far astray".

It does seem rather interesting that when it has become almost universally understood and accepted that politicians of any stripe are amorphous in their stated positions dependent on many factors you would seek to hold your idelogical adversaries to a standard you have not held you fellow travelers to, prima facia evidence of partisan intent I would argue. But you may disagree! The excersise on it's face seems to me to be rather sophomoric.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:27 AM
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Well first off I never said that both candidates have flip flopped! You're saying I did but there is no basis in fact to support that.

You attempted to raise a question as to whether potential Romney supports should be concerned about what you have characterised as inconsistent positions. You do so in a manner that seeks to define the willingness(good) or unwillingness(bad) of those potential supporters to agree with your premise.

By my post I simply pointed out that Obama supporters face the somewhat similar but not identical same dilemma, yet you've elected to not mention that comparable circumstance. You make no attempt to examine or question the willingness or unwillingness of Obama supporters to be concerned about not simply the percieved inconsistancies of talked about policy positions (the case with Romney) but in the case of Obama it is inconsistances with his actual policy implimentations. Obama has actually done different than what he has stated, where as Romney has as of yet only stated he would or wouldn't do something and also in the perception of some stated the opposite.

Romney as talked inconsistantly and Obama has acted inconsistantly and you seek to make an issue about what Romney is saying and if his potential supporters give that the import you feel it should have for them. All the while you ignore the inconsistancy of Obama's actions and raise no question or concern about whether potential Obama supporters give the similar import and you have elected not express, imply, or question if they should.

Your construct of an equivilancy between Romney flip-flops and Obama flip-flops depends entirely on your ommitting the fact that Romney has engaged in flip flop talk and Obama has engaged in flip flop action.

To respond to your second question. I'm of the opinion that potenial supporters probably evaluate the import along two basis lines, the overall degree of importantance a particular "inconstitancy" should have i.e., big important issue vs. little insignificant issue. Then a second line of evaluation would be the direction that any "inconsistancy" appears to signal, i.e. a newly conflicting position that trends towards conservative positions may engender support from potential Romney supporters who view that as a "coming around to us" signal, likewise supporters on some other tangent of the same spectrum might view it as "going to far astray".

It does seem rather interesting that when it has become almost universally understood and accepted that politicians of any stripe are amorphous in their stated positions dependent on many factors you would seek to hold your idelogical adversaries to a standard you have not held you fellow travelers to, prima facia evidence of partisan intent I would argue. But you may disagree! The excersise on it's face seems to me to be rather sophomoric.
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So from some on this forum we've either got do-no-wrong Romney or Hitler as choices this election. Interesting.
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So from some on this forum we've either got do-no-wrong Romney or Hitler as choices this election. Interesting.
At least Hitler was kind to his dog. Hitler FInds Out Romney Strapped His Dog to the Car Roof - YouTube
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At least Hitler was kind to his dog
At least Hitler did not eat someone else's dog! Gimme Guy Obama ideology holds that redistribution of other people's dogs to his plate is justice!

Hitler finds out his dog has been eaten by the Redistributor in Chief !

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Old 07-03-2012, 01:30 PM
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Come on Gents ---

I believe B.O.'s achievments before taking office are far superior ...

Let's see, he went to college and that was paid by whom ?

He was a "community activist" yet made enough money to jettison to the national arena and actively seek the presidency with just 143 days of US Senate experience under his belt. I know he did a great job for Illinois as a state employee there. He did sign 2 bills that became law while a US Senator.

He and his wife were represented as wealthly, power-broker lawyers who gave it all up to be the first family, yet they didn't start making real money until the election was over and they got into office. I smell another book deal in the making.

I think the real distinction between the two is that Mitt made his money and fame thru the private sector and B.O. and wife made theirs compliments of the tax payers. I will pick the private sector guy any time.

As for Joe Biden, he is the cheapest man I know. Never tipped once, and that says a lot about a person. As many Delawareans would agree, if it was not for a horrible, personal tradegy, Joe would have never been voted in. B.O. got voted in because of the US Ecomomy becoming a tradegy. That is how B.O. & Joe are similar: they rose up from tradegy
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Come on Gents ---

I believe B.O.'s achievments before taking office are far superior ...

Let's see, he went to college and that was paid by whom ?

He was a "community activist" yet made enough money to jettison to the national arena and actively seek the presidency with just 143 days of US Senate experience under his belt. I know he did a great job for Illinois as a state employee there. He did sign 2 bills that became law while a US Senator.

He and his wife were represented as wealthly, power-broker lawyers who gave it all up to be the first family, yet they didn't start making real money until the election was over and they got into office. I smell another book deal in the making.

I think the real distinction between the two is that Mitt made his money and fame thru the private sector and B.O. and wife made theirs compliments of the tax payers. I will pick the private sector guy any time.

As for Joe Biden, he is the cheapest man I know. Never tipped once, and that says a lot about a person. As many Delawareans would agree, if it was not for a horrible, personal tradegy, Joe would have never been voted in. B.O. got voted in because of the US Ecomomy becoming a tradegy. That is how B.O. & Joe are similar: they rose up from tradegy

Great points! It would be REALLY interesting to know where the Harvard money came from.
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Come on Gents ---

As for Joe Biden, he is the cheapest man I know. Never tipped once, and that says a lot about a person. As many Delawareans would agree, if it was not for a horrible, personal tradegy, Joe would have never been voted in. B.O. got voted in because of the US Ecomomy becoming a tradegy. That is how B.O. & Joe are similar: they rose up from tradegy
A couple drinks and Joe has some of the best off color ethnic jokes going.
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Come on Gents ---

I believe B.O.'s achievments before taking office are far superior ...

Let's see, he went to college and that was paid by whom ?

He was a "community activist" yet made enough money to jettison to the national arena and actively seek the presidency with just 143 days of US Senate experience under his belt. I know he did a great job for Illinois as a state employee there. He did sign 2 bills that became law while a US Senator.

He and his wife were represented as wealthly, power-broker lawyers who gave it all up to be the first family, yet they didn't start making real money until the election was over and they got into office. I smell another book deal in the making.

I think the real distinction between the two is that Mitt made his money and fame thru the private sector and B.O. and wife made theirs compliments of the tax payers. I will pick the private sector guy any time.

As for Joe Biden, he is the cheapest man I know. Never tipped once, and that says a lot about a person. As many Delawareans would agree, if it was not for a horrible, personal tradegy, Joe would have never been voted in. B.O. got voted in because of the US Ecomomy becoming a tradegy. That is how B.O. & Joe are similar: they rose up from tradegy
Almost as large a "tradegy" as your spelling in fact
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Almost as large a "tradegy" as your spelling in fact
Get over any spelling (or grammer) errors. I guess I should install "spell-check" for you. Not. I have noticed in a number of posts and threads that you attack the most silly things and that is sad.
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So....do the Mitt suporters predict a win by TKO..or Unanimus decision?
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So....do the Mitt suporters predict a win by TKO..or Unanimus decision?
Given the level of animus on this forum, a unanimus decision is damn neigh unlikely.
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If you "could" find the source of the money for Harvard, or any other aspects of the charmed lives of either one, then you should get a gold star. This is still clouded with a lot of mumbo jumbo. Most folks are born, go to a regular school (not the Harvards of the world), get a job, and die. The money made thru this job is traceable on tax returns or other mechanisms which correlate with the goods and services one receives in a life time and the amount of money made. They generally match up. The money made is taxed and that is how our system works. Except B.O. --if one imputes all the money it would take to receive the goods and services he has accumalated, then his tax returns ought to say something vastly different than what they do say over the years. There is the greatest disconnect that no one seems to want to discuss.
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If you "could" find the source of the money for Harvard, or any other aspects of the charmed lives of either one, then you should get a gold star. This is still clouded with a lot of mumbo jumbo. Most folks are born, go to a regular school (not the Harvards of the world), get a job, and die. The money made thru this job is traceable on tax returns or other mechanisms which correlate with the goods and services one receives in a life time and the amount of money made. They generally match up. The money made is taxed and that is how our system works. Except B.O. --if one imputes all the money it would take to receive the goods and services he has accumalated, then his tax returns ought to say something vastly different than what they do say over the years. There is the greatest disconnect that no one seems to want to discuss.
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