Open letter to Moderators - Page 23 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Brian Carlton · #**331** 07-13-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

I think he is not a rare exception but a quite common one. I feel the same. In the past most of America was more akin to this- "Ask not what your country can do..." it was not just a speech but a way of thought. Now it's get from the government whatever you can- and your political bent supports this.

I believe both he and you are the rare exceptions. The remainder of the above paragraph tends to support my thesis.

Now, regarding the last line..........."your political bent supports this". I do not believe I have given you any information that would allow you to conclude that my personal belief supports a large and bloated government. In reality, the contrary is true. I'm perfectly OK with the perspective of yourself and Larry.............to a point. Once that point reaches the level where folks who are unable to support themselves will starve so that the military can be increased, I draw the line.

If you want to cut the government, and I most certainly do, because, like yourself, I am self-made, everything gets cut...........from the military to S/S to medicare. I'm right on board with all of it.

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

On another note you are quite correct in most of the Moderator comments. You were a superior Mod IMHO. I do not agree with many of your political views but as a Mod you were able to explain your actions clearly and without partisanship. That's my view.

Thanks. That was always my intent.

MTUpower · #**332** 07-13-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

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You might be shocked to realize that JR is fundamentally conservative.
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Now that's an opinion which cannot be supported with facts.
You have basically said the sun is a cold, black ball of ice with that statement BC.

Brian Carlton · #**333** 07-13-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Now that's an opinion which cannot be supported with facts.
You have basically said the sun is a cold, black ball of ice with that statement BC.

Actually it can be supported, because I know the individual personally.

With regard to MS, we've shown him, on repeated occasions, that the Republicans spend more money with reckless abandon, than the Democrats ever could.

And, yet, he refuses to acknowledge this fact.

This is the definition of a closed mind.

MTUpower · #**334** 07-13-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I believe both he and you are the rare exceptions. The remainder of the above paragraph tends to support my thesis.

Now, regarding the last line..........."your political bent supports this". I do not believe I have given you any information that would allow you to conclude that my personal belief supports a large and bloated government. In reality, the contrary is true. I'm perfectly OK with the perspective of yourself and Larry.............to a point. Once that point reaches the level where folks who are unable to support themselves will starve so that the military can be increased, I draw the line.

If you want to cut the government, and I most certainly do, because, like yourself, I am self-made, everything gets cut...........from the military to S/S to medicare. I'm right on board with all of it.

Thanks. That was always my intent.

The left supports larger care and devices which take care of the poor than the right does. Your bent is to the left. You have two basic choices and you have chosen the left. You cannot separate that. My bent is slight right- so I'm lumped in with those that view my side as TP/RWNJ. I cannot change that either.

MTUpower · #**335** 07-13-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Actually it can be supported, because I know the individual personally.

With regard to MS, we've shown him, on repeated occasions, that the Republicans spend more money with reckless abandon, than the Democrats ever could.

And, yet, he refuses to acknowledge this fact.

This is the definition of a closed mind.

Those two qualifying words omit anything afterwards being a "fact".

Besides "JR" is the online persona of a actual person- you might have personal non online interaction with him - but that is him- not his online persona. His online persona is far more left than anyone else here.

Dudesky · #**336** 07-13-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I have mixed feelings about it.

The workload to do the proper job is enormous.

The job is typically thankless.

Did you give it up or were you removed?

aklim · #**337** 07-13-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I have mixed feelings about it.

The workload to do the proper job is enormous.

The job is typically thankless.

Why the mixed feelings then? No gain, all work, no pay. No brainer to me.

t walgamuth · #**338** 07-13-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

The left supports larger care and devices which take care of the poor than the right does. Your bent is to the left. You have two basic choices and you have chosen the left. You cannot separate that. My bent is slight right- so I'm lumped in with those that view my side as TP/RWNJ. I cannot change that either.

I don't lump you into the RWNJ class. Your social interactions though often cause friction when with a little care you could avoid a lot of it.

t walgamuth · #**339** 07-13-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by suginami

Hey, I just got home from work here in So. Cal.....I can't post on internet forums all day like you guys, wasting valuable company time.

Thank you for responding.....

...any chance you can take the time to check out a few of the banned using BC's directions?

Botnst · #**340** 07-13-2012, 08:41 PM

hell yeah Paul! Nazi-up!

Brian Carlton · #**341** 07-13-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not a bad response, but you do me a disservice when you claim I think that repubs are fundamentally Conservative. There is a dichotomy among repubs---the leadership has many of the partisan hacks who are simply there for the power they can wield, and the fortunes they can amass--very much like many dems. But, many/most rank and file, grass roots repubs are much more Constitutional Conservatives, and aware they the leadership is not with them. But, just as Progressives took nearly a Century to get the power they wielded in 2008, the Conservatives will have to be satisfied with doing what is "possible" in any given election, and hope to move incrementally to the right.

I agree. Provided that you realize the fundamental difference between the Republican party (definitely not conservative) and true conservatives, we are on the same page. I cannot stomach the Repos simply because they claim to be "conservative" and they have no clue as to the definition of the term. GWB was classic for this. RR was similar, but not to the degree.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I do see fundamental differences between a second Obama term and a Romney one. Repealing that $2.8 Trillion load on the debt would be a great start. Allowing business- large and small- a few years where they have assurance that the playing field will remain relatively constant, and not have to deal with ever increasing regulations or Executive order dictates that increase the cost of business would be another major difference.

I'm slowly coming around to your position. However, unfortunately, I have absolutely no trust in Willard. He simply wants to be the President and he will say or do anything to achieve that goal. I have no confidence that he will put his balls on the line to force major spending reductions and I fully know that he will NEVER get the health care spending bill repealed. He'll take political cover using the Senate as his scapegoat. We can easily use Republican administrations of the past to understand what the potential forthcoming one would do.

Romney has absolutely no conviction about anything, and, therefore the government will remain as the status quo. This is exactly what we do not need.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Simply because you, or another progressive, posts an answer, or a challenge to a Conservative POV, does not negate the Conservative POV--sometimes we simply see it differently. Remember something about facts and lies--many, many so-called facts are simply spin. Tell part of the truth, ignore part of the truth and you get spin.

I respect your views regarding conservative approaches in government and largely agree with them. Where I find you completely close-minded is the point regarding whether or not the Republicans are at all conservative. History shows clearly that they are certainly not. You mind is closed to this fact and you still have some hope.............

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

As for not changing my mind, I will remind you that due to JR's arguments, I have ceased making the statement that absentee and military ballots are not counted unless they could effect the results. He showed that the laws require all ballots to be counted. I accepted that, and changed my opinion of that issue. So I am not quite as closed minded as you think.

Excellent.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I have the strength of my convictions---other people are pig-headed and stubborn.

Larry has the strength of his convictions and he also is certain that other people are pig-headed and stubborn.

Do you want to be in that boat?

Brian Carlton · #**342** 07-13-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Why the mixed feelings then? No gain, all work, no pay. No brainer to me.

My personality likes to run the show. I very much enjoy being a charter boat captain and the President of my company...........all of which allows me to run the show. I'm miserable at any spectator sport or as an employee for the same reason.

On an airline flight, I have visions of rescuing the airplane should the captain become incapacitated.

It's part of who I am.

This explains the "mixed feelings".

Brian Carlton · #**343** 07-13-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Did you give it up or were you removed?

I was removed. Some are still partying, nearly 18 months later.

Apparently, the powers that be really didn't want enforcement of the TOU. Too many people run and cry about it.

Now you have a forum where the rules are largely ignored by the Mods. Makes for an easier day for them............not so excellent for everybody else, however.

Brian Carlton · #**344** 07-13-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Those two qualifying words omit anything afterwards being a "fact".

Besides "JR" is the online persona of a actual person- you might have personal non online interaction with him - but that is him- not his online persona. His online persona is far more left than anyone else here.

No, "reckless abandon" does not omit anything afterwards. "Reckless abandon" can be proven. Surely, you don't want to stick your head in the sand regarding the spending patterns of previous Republican administrations? Or do you?

I believe I already explained that situation in previous posts. You should read them first before challenging me.

Brian Carlton · #**345** 07-13-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

The left supports larger care and devices which take care of the poor than the right does.

Naturally.

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Your bent is to the left.

I'm going to ask you to provide some support for this position before I characterize it as an unsupported opinion.

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

You have two basic choices and you have chosen the left.

I'm again going to ask you to provide some support for this position before I characterize it as an unsupported opinion.

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

You cannot separate that.

Separate what?

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

My bent is slight right- so I'm lumped in with those that view my side as TP/RWNJ. I cannot change that either.

Your bent is slightly right but some of your arguments are far right and unsupported. The fellows in the middle take you to task for your unsupported positions. Of course, you view them as "the far LEFT".

Personally, I agree with some of your positions and have no real desire to argue about the nuances of them.