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Honus · #**151** 07-25-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I think people are taking this comment, along with all that he has said and done since becoming President. Remember his comment to Joe, the Plumber, " Spread the wealth around"? He clearly believes in taking from those whom he judges as having more than they need, and giving it to those who, he feels, need it more.

How is any of that different from any other policy maker? He thinks the status quo gives too much of an advantage to those at the top, so he advocates policies that address that imbalance. Others disagree with his position. They advocate different policies. Somehow, this makes him a socialist. I don't get it.

Jorn · #**152** 07-25-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

This is easy to say. The flip side is that the R's want to take it from those with less and give even more to those that already have much more than they need.

To me the question is much more elemental....who do I fear? The overzealous government? ....sometimes.

But turning it all over to big corporations and trusting them to do what is right is much more frightening to me.

This is interesting. At the moment I'm driving a Ford Flex the company I'm freelancing for rented for me from Enterprise. When I hit 75mph it starts to beep to let me know that I'm hitting the limiter that is set at 80mph, yes Enterprise doesn't want me to go faster then 80mph. But that's not all; they also put a limiter on the volume of the stereo!! And to enforce the use of the seat belt the radio quiets 'till I fasten my seat belt. Nanny state enforced by the big corporations.

MS Fowler · #**153** 07-25-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

This is easy to say. The flip side is that the R's want to take it from those with less and give even more to those that already have much more than they need.

To me the question is much more elemental....who do I fear? The overzealous government? ....sometimes.

But turning it all over to big corporations and trusting them to do what is right is much more frightening to me.

I have as much fear of big corps as I do of big government, even more, when the two combine.

MS Fowler · #**154** 07-25-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

How is any of that different from any other policy maker? He thinks the status quo gives too much of an advantage to those at the top, so he advocates policies that address that imbalance. Others disagree with his position. They advocate different policies. Somehow, this makes him a socialist. I don't get it.

You really don't see the socialism?

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
If Obama's policies on the economy sound like that which was advocated by Karl Marx, then maybe he qualifies as a Marxist. no?

retmil46 · #**155** 07-25-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You really don't see the socialism?

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
If Obama's policies on the economy sound like that which was advocated by Karl Marx, then maybe he qualifies as a Marxist. no?

Not socialist in the traditional sense. Not capitalist in the traditional sense.

One poster in a thread a while back called him a corporatist. That seems to fit him better, given the results of the last 3 years.

He knows money is the power behind politics and government in this country. "Corporatist" in the sense he seems to be forging a "corporation" consisting of the federal government, big business, big unions, and big finance, for the benefit of all four - and no one else.

Botnst · #**156** 07-25-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

How is any of that different from any other policy maker? He thinks the status quo gives too much of an advantage to those at the top, so he advocates policies that address that imbalance. Others disagree with his position. They advocate different policies. Somehow, this makes him a socialist. I don't get it.

Mere disagreement doesn't reveal anybody's particular political philosophy.

And what's wrong with being a social democrat? Europe is full of them. The uSA has more every day. It's just another philosophy. I don't see why one should run from it.

MS Fowler · #**157** 07-25-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

Not socialist in the traditional sense. Not capitalist in the traditional sense.

One poster in a thread a while back called him a corporatist. That seems to fit him better, given the results of the last 3 years.

He knows money is the power behind politics and government in this country. "Corporatist" in the sense he seems to be forging a "corporation" consisting of the federal government, big business, big unions, and big finance, for the benefit of all four - and no one else.

Not that any labels are all that useful--I'd call GW a corporatist, and Obama a socialist--if he could do what he wants. The situation may not allow him to go as far as he would like, but I believe that is where his heart is.

Honus · #**158** 07-25-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You really don't see the socialism?

No, I don't. It's not even close. If the center is defined with reference to administrations during my lifetime, then Obama is just to the right of center.

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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
If Obama's policies on the economy sound like that which was advocated by Karl Marx, then maybe he qualifies as a Marxist. no?

If he's a Marxist, then so was Ronald Reagan.

Honus · #**159** 07-25-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Mere disagreement doesn't reveal anybody's particular political philosophy.

And what's wrong with being a social democrat? Europe is full of them. The uSA has more every day. It's just another philosophy. I don't see why one should run from it.

Neither do I. I just don't see what that label has to do with Obama.