Yes. I postulate that Barack Obama never self applied the name Barry Soetoro. Soetoro is the surname of his step-father, not his given birth name.




Yes.

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More of the same.... ask a simple question and watch the dodging begin.

I will try again. Please show me where there are more unavailable records of Obama's than any other president or candidate.

As for the blind faith business... you definitely crack me up the immediate assumption that someone who calls you out on bogus and unsubstantiated claims has this 'blind faith' for whomever is being discussed is an error in logic.

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OK, Although I got a postulating instead of a simple "yes" or "no", I guess I can glean from the intelligencia that many will admit or agree that others may have called B.O. by the name "Barry", but other than that, a simple "yes" or "no" is too challenging.

I guess that is where one of the fundamental disagreements lies: Some claim he really had the name B.S. and others not. Right now the over whelming evidence points to the FACT that he did indeed go by the name Barry Soetoro. As for how long, that is debatable. Those who claim otherwise are just burying their heads in the sand, and take rather clever ways to muddy the waters, and that is sad.

When my son was born, due to religous/cultural practices we didn't name him right away. A clerk type person at the hospital kept coming by and bugging my wife for a name to put on his birth certificate. My wife was checked in under her maiden name as she had been born at the same Indian Health Service hospital and had always received health care there.

The clerk, under some sort of job requirement pressure or just in frustration finally filled out the birth certificate as "Baby Boy XXXX", the Xs being my wife's maiden name. We had that birth certificate for a number of years, 3 or 4 I'd guess and finally got around to changing it when the IRS would no longer allow me to count him as a dependent without a SS number. We have the old one, and the corrected one. I learned later that I was supposed to surrender the original one when I reapplied for the name change, but nobody asked for it.

I am not suggesting that this is in anyway similar to the Barry S. deal, but it is an example of how these things sometimes go. My son is only 18, so it's not like it was some old antiquated paperwork system.

Perhaps down the line someone with dark suspicions will make a big deal out of it. "He went by the name Baby Boy XXXX for a number of years, WHY??"

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Nope. I agree with you Elchivito on your point. My son was born "without" a name like everyone else and we could not settle on a name right away. He ended up with the name of Baby X (x = my last name). This was corrected within a week, and yes someone could make a deal out of your situation or mine, but if you or I pointed out what happened and presented whatever documents that could have existed, the so-called deal goes away really fast. What I find interesting is the fact that B.S. a/k/a B.O. had the name B.S. first, and there was a series of hoaxes which could be figured out pretty quick, but they certainly muddied the waters. I wonder who really started those hoaxes and why ? They certainly did not help the situation except they did help one person !

Guess you don't know what postulate means.

What overwhelming evidence? Can you provide more than just the word FACT?? Can you provide evidence?

At least if one's head is in the sand that precludes it being parked up their posterior...

Clarify the waters... post some evidence.... or just put your head right back where it was.

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My oldest daughter when she was in first grade or kindergarden was told by her mom to use her step dad's name at school "to avoid confusion". When I heard of it from the daughter I called and got the stepfather on the phone with the ex wife and they agreed to use her correct name (mine) from then on.

I am sure there are documents around with her using his surname.....so what?

BO grew up in a family that was constantly changing, his mom being something of a rolling stone. He had no control of anything until he was an adult.

Again, so what? If you had some evidence that he committed some heinous crime and changed his name to conceal it it might matter.

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Ok -- I guess enough is enough since you want to ramp it up to personal attacks. That too is sad. And, your response now serves as your answer in that it appears you utterly deny he went by B.S., yet you "postulate"

Meaning:

(logic) a proposition that is accepted as true in order to provide a basis for logical reasoning

The manner in which you used the word was not indicative of your answer. Rather, the way you worded it could leave one of the uninformed American masses to simply believe you were just saying, "for argument's sake, he went by ..." And that is exactly what you did. You sound almost just like B.S. a/k/a B.O. Imitation is one of the greatest forms of flattery they say.

Wow... did you do ANY research at all??

Barack was born to Barack Hussein Obama, not Lolo Soetoro. Lolo became his step father at age 6.

The possibility that he was referred to as Barry Soetoro by people who did not know his birth name is undeniable. The idea that he self applied such has not been shown in the slightest.

As to why these hoaxes were started, you may be better off querying those who could benefit from the confusion. My first reaction would be the birther crowd, as they were powerfully short on evidence, something needed to be done.

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I'm not sure which hoaxes you're talking about. I personally think this is a case of B.O. using his stepfather's name for a while as a child. It's not a stretch to see Barry as an anglicized nickname for Barak.
Romney is refusing to release tax records. His opponents are going apesh it wanting to know why, with the assumption being that he doesn't want his potential voters to know that he paid zero taxes. They are using the same logic as birthers. "If he's got nothing to hide why doesn't he just settle the matter and let us see his tax returns."
I don't think there is any more obfuscation or stonewalling on Obama's part than on any other politician's. I do however find that most of the "inquiry" focused on Obama is more focused on making him look "other", somehow not American enough. This smacks of dog whistles for the bigots out there. Present company not included of course.
These things aren't generally brought up except by opposition, and normally when some proof of something is released it only serves to further inflame them. At some point I'd imagine you just stop feeding the beast and ignore it.

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Not a personal attack at all. Unless it's true...

The manner in which I used the word is entirely consistent with my knowledge. I have not been a lifetime friend of Mr Obama, so cannot assert with unflagging certainly whether he ever went by any other names during the course of his life. I have not seen any convincing evidence that he has. Therefore, I take as given that he has not, until such time as evidence to the contrary is produced. BTW, do not confuse accusation and speculation with evidence. You must prove your point, not just offer a contrary position and then require that it be disproved.

Saying that I sound like Barack Obama... I will accept that as a compliment which I am not entirely worthy of.

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Colloquially I don't see it as too far of a stretch. His stepfather's name was Soetoro and they called him Barry as a kid. I imagine that would have been an easy mistake to make, to refer to him as Barry Soetoro instead of Barry Obama when all of his half siblings are under the Soetoro name. Legally, given his birth certificate ( not trying to open a can of worms with this one) I doubt that he was ever "officially" called that, which makes sense. Unless of course, you can prove otherwise.

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Saying that I sound like Barack Obama... I will accept that as a compliment which I am not entirely worthy of.

Wow -- If that was ever asserted towards me, I am not sure if I would take offense or not ...

I guess an open admission (or denial) by B.S. a/k/a B.O. would be the only proof out there and that is not forthcoming any time soon.

...and there it is... common ground....

on both counts.

Which puts in the foreground the questions so patiently asked by our compadre TBO....

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B.S.,....... B.O.,...... What's the difference? They both stink.

What has been interesting during the evolution of this thread, was that in the beginning, the libs SEEMED to categorically deny that Obama ever went by the S name at all. Later in the thread, it seemed to come to light, that at some time in his life he did. How many Barry Soetoro's could there be at the particular universities in question at the same time? Just askin'.

I personally don't THINK that he was so sinister as to lie about his place of birth, but the interesting thing is this: If he had, it would take TEN TIMES as much evidence as normally required in a court of law to ever get the B.O. (or B.S, or whoever he is) zealots to ever believe it to be true.

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