Was one of McCain's primary campaign promises that he would nationalize healthcare? That was a huge part of Obama's campaign, and arguably the most important goal of his administration.
First you berate him for not living up to campaign promises that he never made, now you are berating him for fulfilling the largest one he made.... Not really sure what you expect.

Back to that old saw... Bush had no responsibility for the bailout? It was all Obama?
AND... the bailout obviously didn't work? Think the folks who's jobs and homes were saved by the bailout have a different opinion than you about that?

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With no clear distinction of 'enemy', there can be no win. The day's of 'winning' a war are over.

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Where does that leave the killers of the people who killed the people?

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I would like it very much if India and Pakistan can avoid nuking each other.
Want to help cause an outbreak of world peace? The premise of doing this by force IMO is fundamentally flawed. One thing that might help though, is the advancement of advanced nuclear technology. It is possible to have a nuclear reactor which does not necessarily produce weapons material LFTR. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors also produce a tiny fraction of the other waste products we're normally burdened with. They are much more fault-tolerant (unattended shut-down to a safe state). They are much smaller. They have other advantages which combine to mean that they could be deployed to meet the energy needs of people globally. Search Google for LFTR All of this might mean, that many of the energy starved people of the planet might not need to fight so fiercely for oil (Thorium is plentiful and well distributed on the planet).
I also support a "mind our own business" foreign policy, unless absolutely necessary; and consider our current military expenditure to be unsustainable and unwise.


Oh brother, another one! I hope you're joking or trolling.

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One of the fellows I used to work with at Purdue, who personally is very laid back and friendly once stated that he wished we would bomb the whole middle east into one big smoking hole in the ground (maybe it was Iraq or Afganistan). He is a big christian so I asked him what about the innocent children and women? He said better if they don't live to reproduce.

That just does not meet my image of what Jesus would want us to do.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I'm nobody's theologian, but I agree it does not sound like a very christian thing to do.

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Yeah, GREAT IDEA! Just shut down the military altogether. There's no one in the world who wants to kill us. Just do away with that expense so that we can give more money to the people in this country who choose not to work and also have more money to give away in foreign aide.

YEAH! GREAT IDEA! What a GENIUS you are!!!!

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Clearly my point flew over your head, try thinking a bit and maybe you can reach up and grasp at it.

Let me give you a hint since your so good with Google searching and finding that cute little aircraft carrier poster.

What has been the past military successes and failures in the Middle East? Outcomes? How were they achieved? How long have Europeans been fighting over the Middle East?

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Are you sure about nationalizing healthcare was a HUGE part of Obama's campaign? I think that might be a little revision of history. Obama's campaign, and here on OD was that he was not GB. He carefully avoided any details in his zeal for hope and change. The genius of that approach was that everyone got to define Obama as he/ she wanted. I think the healthcare issue came to the fore during the campaign, and even more afterward, but I would not say it was a huge part of his campaign.

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To be fair, I think you may be mis-characterizing my position a little bit. Just to be clear, I am not a proponent of any plan nor am I even aware of any plan to "Just shut down the military altogether" and use the proceeds to "give more money to the people in this country who choose not to work and also have more money to give away in foreign aide."

I do think our military is way too big, and has become a jobs program (busy work) via defense technology spending and also via the military itself. Did you ever think that the expense of the cold war arms race may be what brought down the USSR because their economy was inferior to ours and that they simply bankrupted themselves first? And maybe since we continue to spend on the mil as before that we might bankrupt ourselves next? And that we risk letting the Chinese win the race to dominance without ever firing a bullet? And what about all the productivity lost by not investing that money in sci-tech research? Or just not spending it?

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I'm going to try.
You don't like my poster?
Natives +1000. Everyone whose name wasn't Chinggis Khan has been sent packing, licking their wounds, wishing they hadn't.
It seems the best anyone has done is to deny access or claim to the resources by anyone else.
I don't know exactly how Chinggis did it. It is an impressive legacy.
Since the Crusades? (I have no idea if the Visigoths or Vandals ever tried to invade the ME. Please share any insight you have.)

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A JOBS program? Are you kidding? Have you bothered to do any research of the numbers. The military has been steadily shrinking for the last forty years.

Do you have the guts to be part of THAT jobs program? Are you ready to walk around on artificial legs?

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You mean we had more aircraft carriers in 1972? Amazing!
It's an open question and not likely to be answered since I'm past the age limit. I like to think that I have the stones. But, looking back, and seeing the shameful, disrespectful treatment that veterans of late (the years that I would have been involved) have received at the hands of our government, I am not envious. I have great respect for veterans and their sacrifice. And, I have no respect for the chicken hawk cowards that sent them to wars, nor the greedy war profiteers who've enriched themselves at everyone's expense.

How about you? Veteran?

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To measure the size of the military is just a LITTLE more involved than counting the number of carriers. Probably the most common yard stick is troop count.


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