A little disturbed by this

[raymr]

Government contractors are instructed by the administration to ignore the WARN act, leaving thousands or workers unsure about their future.

Defense companies that are facing huge layoffs due to sequestration are legally required to inform their workers 60 days before possible layoffs take effect. Due to the effective fiscal cliff date of January 2, those layoff notices would have to be distributed on November 2 to hundreds of thousands of people living in swing states like Virginia, just days before the election.

Strangely, the OMB has deemed the notices unnecessary and inconsistent with the intent of the WARN act. Not only that, the administration promised to reimburse these companies for any lawsuits and damages caused by ignoring the WARN act 60-day notice requirement.

Lockheed-Martin has now reversed it's original plan to notify its employees, effectively keeping them in the dark, and setting the stage for huge lawsuits that taxpayers are being obligated to pay for. What the????

[Jorn]

Are you the last one on the email list?

[raymr]

Not sure what you mean. This info is a few days old and bears repeating, since it looks and smells rotten, and is not getting a whole lot of media coverage.

[MTI]

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/325277-labor-dept-tells-contractors-ignore-warn-act.html

[10fords]

Who does this benefit? This was reported a few months ago, but the mainstream media is ignoring it for the obvious reason that it is a typical Obama administration tactic of ignoring laws that might cost them votes. Thats how things work in a dictatorship. BTW- which party do you think rammed through the Warn act? People of any political bent should be outraged by this.

[raymr]

Originally Posted by MTI

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/325277-labor-dept-tells-contractors-ignore-warn-act.html

Missed that. Still, L-M's announcement came on October 1, signaling their compliance with this highly questionable tactic. Before it was just the government kicking the can down the road - they now have complete contractor buy in, talking the same pie-in-the-sky fluff about meaningful budget resolutions, etc, etc. You can't squeeze blood out of a rock. It only means more severe cuts will have to come later to make up for the ones not done sooner.

[Hatterasguy]

Its amazing that these company's are contemplating layoffs when they are selling so much stuff. Sounds politically motivated to me.

Defense contractors are so full of it, they have been racking it in over the past decade with all the wars going on. UTC still cry's but its order books on S92's are back logged until 2016.

They just like to cry so people feel bad for them and get their politicians to vote for $$$ for them. I'm going to speculate that the guys running these companies want Romny to win because they think he will stop the defense cuts and possible throw some more cash at their industry, so the threat of layoffs to make the dems look bad is a good political tactic that might swing a few votes.

This is what's driving this country off the fiscal cliff, special interests own all our politicians.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by raymr

Government contractors are instructed by the administration to ignore the WARN act, leaving thousands or workers unsure about their future.

Defense companies that are facing huge layoffs due to sequestration are legally required to inform their workers 60 days before possible layoffs take effect. Due to the effective fiscal cliff date of January 2, those layoff notices would have to be distributed on November 2 to hundreds of thousands of people living in swing states like Virginia, just days before the election.

Strangely, the OMB has deemed the notices unnecessary and inconsistent with the intent of the WARN act. Not only that, the administration promised to reimburse these companies for any lawsuits and damages caused by ignoring the WARN act 60-day notice requirement.

Lockheed-Martin has now reversed it's original plan to notify its employees, effectively keeping them in the dark, and setting the stage for huge lawsuits that taxpayers are being obligated to pay for. What the????

Thanks for bringing this subject up again Ray!

This is ABSOLUTELY consistent with something I have REPEATEDLY written on this forum. Politicians care ONLY about getting re-elected. If some hard working folks in a defense factory get stepped on in the process, they don't CARE! This goes DOUBLE for B.O. who has REPEATEDLY shown his willingness to use Chicago style politics at the drop of a hat, regardless of who it harms.

In this particular case, it says as much about the MSM as it does about B.O. The MSM is PERFECTLY content with sweeping this under the rug, to get their guy another term. In FACT, there is clearly more dishonesty on the part of the MSM in this case, than there is on the part of B.O. Everyone EXPECTS B.O. to lie, but the same folks have a small amount of trust left for the MSM. Makes it even more sinister.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Its amazing that these company's are contemplating layoffs when they are selling so much stuff. Sounds politically motivated to me.

Defense contractors are so full of it, they have been racking it in over the past decade with all the wars going on. UTC still cry's but its order books on S92's are back logged until 2016.

They just like to cry so people feel bad for them and get their politicians to vote for $$$ for them. I'm going to speculate that the guys running these companies want Romny to win because they think he will stop the defense cuts and possible throw some more cash at their industry, so the threat of layoffs to make the dems look bad is a good political tactic that might swing a few votes.

This is what's driving this country off the fiscal cliff, special interests own all our politicians.

No, what is driving us over the fiscal cliff is the idiots in Washington spending LOTS and LOTS of BORROWED money. They do this to buy their re election and would rape your Momma or mine to do it and lose no sleep whatsoever.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by 10fords

Who does this benefit? This was reported a few months ago, but the mainstream media is ignoring it for the obvious reason that it is a typical Obama administration tactic of ignoring laws that might cost them votes. Thats how things work in a dictatorship. BTW- which party do you think rammed through the Warn act? People of any political bent should be outraged by this.

The only reason that more people are NOT outraged is because the DISHONEST MSM will not report it, for fear that it might prevent their guy from getting a second term. The MSM has a few good individuals, but as a whole, they are as dishonest as any group in the world.

[rs899]

I work at LM, but I am fairly close to retirement ( and generally had enough of my career) so ..

Let me just say lopping 10% off the defense budget will cause absolute chaos and send us ALL to the Great Recession, Part B. It's probably true that WARN notices are not required yet, because they will be cutting programs one by one and they can decide then based on the individual cuts who gets the notice.

OTOH, I don't see the point of any more defense spending. There needs to be a controlled wind-down, say 3% per year or so , so some planning can be done. There's plenty of waste in defense- I think taking 10%- 20% out of it can be done over 10 years, but not one year.

[Hatterasguy]

Originally Posted by Air&Road

No, what is driving us over the fiscal cliff is the idiots in Washington spending LOTS and LOTS of BORROWED money. They do this to buy their re election and would rape your Momma or mine to do it and lose no sleep whatsoever.

That's pretty much exactly what I attributed this to, and typed.


To reiterate, my point is that the defense industry is doing rather well and don't beleive all the crying or threat of layoffs.

[rs899]

Its amazing that these company's are contemplating layoffs when they are selling so much stuff. Sounds politically motivated to me.

It's obvious you don't understand how this works. They don't just keep employees around for the hell of it. We have to charge our time worked to specific contracts. No contracts means we have to get our employer to pay for us to do nothing. They don't like that.

I am sure inthe construction industry it works the same way...?

[Hatterasguy]

Originally Posted by rs899

It's obvious you don't understand how this works. They don't just keep employees around for the hell of it. We have to charge our time worked to specific contracts. No contracts means we have to get our employer to pay for us to do nothing. They don't like that.

I am sure inthe construction industry it works the same way...?

The defense industry has a lot of contracts, at least UTC does, so does every company that makes firearms, FN for example.

I mean we have been at war for the past decade, and defense spending is at record highs.

How much money is enough? How many contracts are enough?

Is Lockeed-Martin not getting enough business building the new JSF for just about every air force that can afford it, also its the only fifth gen fighter in the world and for the next probably 10 years to be in "mass" production.

Do they want us to go to war with someone and get a bunch shot down so they have to produce thousands a year? Whats enough? How many F35's are enough? How many years out must the contract go? 5, 10, 20 years?

[Dudesky]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Its amazing that these company's are contemplating layoffs when they are selling so much stuff. Sounds politically motivated to me.


This is what's driving this country off the fiscal cliff, special interests own all our politicians.

Its the law due to Congress not agreeing to a budget. Remember the Super Commission or something like that, a few years back? They were supposed to come up with a budget instead of extending the spending. If they couldn't come to a consensus, preagreed automatic budget cuts were mandated and one is a big hit on defense spending. Here it is.
They failed to do anything a couple months ago.