Witty, pointless but witty.


Dont discuss Obamas religion though.


This thread proves the hypocritical nature of partisan politics. Examine Mitts paperwork and religion with a microscope but ignore the incumbent. Good thing Mitt doesn't have brother living in squalor or ties to people that hate the US.


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That he is a Muslim? That's old news.

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I am with you on your basic point, but if his roofing work was good enough to past muster with a local Mormon church (if "church" is the right word), then that might be a good recommendation for the quality of his work. Many years ago I was involved in the design for an addition to a Mormon church (did they call it a "stake"? I can't recall). I found the LDS people to be among the most knowledgeable and quality-oriented clients I had in my short (6-year) engineering career. They knew what they wanted and why they wanted it. They insisted on, and got, exceedingly high quality construction.

I know that does not respond to your point. I'm just saying...

On your point, my skepticism goes way up anytime a tradesman or vendor goes out of his way to make sure I know he is a Christian. That sort of flaunting of alleged religious beliefs is a big red flag for me.

Some people like to have religion brought in. Like a Masonic handshake or knowing about each others kids or what school or sorority where you're an alumnus. None of it is proof of an honest relationship. It's more of a process of making an emotional connection. My alarm goes off when somebody uses that connection as a lever.

Like, "Hey, we're all Muslims here so we know we can trust each other!" Human history to the contrary.

What about a religion that requires your head be covered, that strict dietary laws be followed . . .

That you cut skin off your dick.

Nothing sad about that. He's got nothing. Nothing he's willing to say out loud anyway. Hell, all the other repugs got nothing too. All that any of the leadership can say is "make Obama a one-term president" Shameful. You've got tools like Ryan, Romney, Boener representing your ideology. How can you be surprised that so many reject it?

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When does it stop being a discussion of religious views, and crosses that line into religious bigotry? Some of what I see above seems to cross that line.

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I listened to him tonight on 60 minutes and he's got a bit more than nothing. He's willing to do means testing for S/S and medicare and he's going to move toward a budget that is balanced.

Obama said NOTHING regarding what he's going to do...........blamed his massive deficits on the two wars and the prescription drug program. Again blamed his inability to make progress in reducing the deficit on the GOP because they won't raise marginal tax rates. Now, that is bull*****

What is a marginal tax rate?

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It's a tax on a butter-like substance.

Then you can be sure they won't vote for that candidate.

Doesn't mean that we should ignore a candidates religious views.

I think Mormons are a whacked out cult and will not vote for someone willing to follow the book of Mormon. Doesn't make me a bigot, makes them members of a fringe religion.

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It's the tax on the last dollar of income.

Tax rates are progressive in that the last dollar of income is taxed at a higher percentage than the first dollar (isn't taxed at all).

Discussion of tax rates is usually confusing to most people because all people pay a rate that is less than the marginal rate.

Obama wants to raise the marginal rate for all those earning $250K and above despite the fact that they already pay significantly more dollars than all others who utilize the same services.

Are those people 'middle class'??

Who would you have pay more, or should everyone pay less?

I have a hard time understanding where the current batch of erstwhile republicans think the money is going to come from. Lower taxes on the wealthy, supposedly not going to raise taxes on the middle class. Cut taxes on businesses... All seems like a serious reduction in federal income. Are we expected to believe that the government will offset the reduced income by cutting spending, because I am not going to hold my breath for that...

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