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Old 11-14-2012, 10:48 AM
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In recent years there has been a growth of tolerance for assisted suicide for some states, and this trend will only continue, and there is nothing wrong with it, as long as the person to die agrees.

FWIW, the kind of comment you wrote is easy to type, but it is not so easy to let go of a loved one, let alone participate in their murder, er, assisted suicide. Of course that not to say a lot of people don’t do that.
Which baffles me. After all, if I were to kill you, am I not taking YOUR life? If it is YOUR life then why are you not allowed to do with it as you please?

The question is pretty simple. "Do I want to do what is best for YOU or what is best for ME?". Do I want to keep you suffering even there is little to no hope because that is what you would have wanted or do I want to keep you alive and suffering because it is best for me because I have some guilt to assuage or whatever. We faced those decisions when we put down our dogs. Is it best to prolong their lives just because we want them to be somewhat alive and they suffer for our sake or do we end the suffering for them because it is in their best interests.

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Yeah, I get the point about this guy and his wishes.

The larger question (to me) is the many people who have been unplugged because of a supposition of an irreversible coma, due to apparent brain inactivity and unresponsiveness.

Why were they terminated? Because technology was not sufficient to communicate with them.

Should they have had a choice? How long do we maintain them if they choose to live? Who pays? Why?
You're just going over the history of science, medical advances and ethics. Nothing new really. Diagnostic advances, treatment options, and their related costs and availability confront us every generation. Most recently, the treatment of HIV and AIDS, raised the same concerns.
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Is it worth the financial and social cost to keep an all but unresponsive person alive for a decade so he can speak a sentence or two?
I'm a font of misunderstanding lately. I read the Toronto Star article on Mr. Routley this morning, and it was clear that he's not actually speaking -- researchers asked him questions and interpreted his response through brain activity they measured through MRI. So he's kind of like Capt. Pike on that classic Star Trek episode ... one beep for "yes," two beeps for "no."

Of course, the MRI has to pump a lot of energy into Mr. Routley's gray matter ... I wonder if it's giving him a little "jump start."
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:21 PM
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MY solution is totally utilitarian -- you want it, you pay for it. Else, die.
Hope that's clear.
Doesn't get much more transparent that that!!
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I'm a font of misunderstanding lately. I read the Toronto Star article on Mr. Routley this morning, and it was clear that he's not actually speaking -- researchers asked him questions and interpreted his response through brain activity they measured through MRI. So he's kind of like Capt. Pike on that classic Star Trek episode ... one beep for "yes," two beeps for "no."

Of course, the MRI has to pump a lot of energy into Mr. Routley's gray matter ... I wonder if it's giving him a little "jump start."
Maybe we could appeal to the Talosians to care for our brain dead people...
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I'm a font of misunderstanding lately. I read the Toronto Star article on Mr. Routley this morning, and it was clear that he's not actually speaking -- researchers asked him questions and interpreted his response through brain activity they measured through MRI. So he's kind of like Capt. Pike on that classic Star Trek episode ... one beep for "yes," two beeps for "no."

Of course, the MRI has to pump a lot of energy into Mr. Routley's gray matter ... I wonder if it's giving him a little "jump start."
That's why I said it was about the semiotics of MRI's. How do we know we are interpreting the brain activity correctly? I assume they must have experimented with this technique on communicating people. I wonder what their success ratio was in correlating the 'meaning' of the MRI with the what the communicators were thinking.
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You're just going over the history of science, medical advances and ethics. Nothing new really. Diagnostic advances, treatment options, and their related costs and availability confront us every generation. Most recently, the treatment of HIV and AIDS, raised the same concerns.
Didn't say it was new. Questions of mortality are the most important questions that humans ever ask. That they have been asked since pre-history does not make the question less important.

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