The Israeli thread...

[Palangi]

The Arabs seem determined to get their butts kicked again.

Seems like they never learn...........

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by ruchase

Stricly from a loss of life, you're correct. However, you're over simplifying the nature of Afganistan (and Iraq). This is a protracted war with no end in sight, unlike Normandy. We don't get to storm the some beach or secure the hilltop - rather, we have no idea what the outcome will be. In essence, the loss of any U.S. life now is costlier, as we will likely see no return.

In fact, one might argue after all is said and done, the U.S. (and western world) will be less safe once we pull out of this region, as we have destroyed all their infrastructure and created a haven for radical militant groups.

Okay, on a per-day basis WWII cost more US military lives that Iraq and Afghanistan combined. WWII = 130k/4 years about 30K/year. 6k in Afghan/Iraq war over 10 years (more or less) = 600/year.

We have been in Korea for a generation. Lost about 55K altogether (IIRC) which is about 1,000/year. Of all the wars fought by the USA, Korea is the longest war, by far. No peace treaty.

An interesting statistic would be the cost/life in constant dollars. I'm betting we spend a lot more per life than any other war in history. I dunno, maybe the Revolution was more expensive, in constant dollars.

[mgburg]

It's obvious that the "Gaza Gang" (GG) don't care about anything (including their own women and children) other than an ideal.

They aren't compliant.
They want without giving.
They won't follow rules or regulations.
They elect radicals in hope that the same will change things for the better using some twisted "logic" that their attempt at control is going to make things easier.
They figure that firing 1,000s of Scud-like rockets is going to make Israel compliant to their wishes.
They're too stupid to realize that 1,000s of scuds will NOT scare Israel into compliancy.
Israel (and its citizenry), having a history of prosecution, will not put up with it any longer and will defend itself against all comers.
And with all the "wars" that were INSTIGATED by the Palestinians against the nation of Israel, each war was met with intense and justified power and the Palestinians lost both the war as well as land.
And in the interest of "peace" - some of that land has been given back and where does that stand as of today?

Regardless what Israel does to placate the idiots, there are those that don't want Israel around and until THAT attitude changes, I could care less if one woman or child on the Palestinian side dies today, tomorrow or next year, it's the responsibility of the "rocket-monkeys" to either quit firing rockets into Israel or otherwise, suffer the consequences.

War is a b!tch and if the Palestinians aren't smart enough to figure that out, then wipe the lot out.

Nobody has been able to fix stupid.

If Aramalongdingdong Ineedahandjob keeps telling anyone that GAS that he (and Iran) believe that Israel deserves to be "wiped off the map" - they should expect a "bulls-eye" on anything they believe will do the job.

As for today's carnage? When the rockets from the Gaza-land stop, permanently, then you might have peace.

'Til then, fire a rocket, expect a bigger rocket to be returned and to die in pieces.

BTW: If someone fired a weapon towards/at/near me, they better hope that they hit what they aimed at. I guarantee you, what's coming back at them will. And at a larger calibre than that which was fired originally.

[spdrun]

"They aren't compliant."

Since when is compliance to (what they view as) an occupying force a good or desirable thing? My grandfather died fighting an occupying force in Eastern Europe.

[Since66]

Originally Posted by mgburg

It's obvious that the "Gaza Gang" (GG) don't care about anything (including their own women and children) other than an ideal.

They aren't compliant.
They want without giving.
They won't follow rules or regulations.
They elect radicals in hope that the same will change things for the better using some twisted "logic" that their attempt at control is going to make things easier.
They figure that firing 1,000s of Scud-like rockets is going to make Israel compliant to their wishes.
They're too stupid to realize that 1,000s of scuds will NOT scare Israel into compliancy.
Israel (and its citizenry), having a history of prosecution, will not put up with it any longer and will defend itself against all comers.
And with all the "wars" that were INSTIGATED by the Palestinians against the nation of Israel, each war was met with intense and justified power and the Palestinians lost both the war as well as land.
And in the interest of "peace" - some of that land has been given back and where does that stand as of today?

Regardless what Israel does to placate the idiots, there are those that don't want Israel around and until THAT attitude changes, I could care less if one woman or child on the Palestinian side dies today, tomorrow or next year, it's the responsibility of the "rocket-monkeys" to either quit firing rockets into Israel or otherwise, suffer the consequences.

War is a b!tch and if the Palestinians aren't smart enough to figure that out, then wipe the lot out.

Nobody has been able to fix stupid.

If Aramalongdingdong Ineedahandjob keeps telling anyone that GAS that he (and Iran) believe that Israel deserves to be "wiped off the map" - they should expect a "bulls-eye" on anything they believe will do the job.

As for today's carnage? When the rockets from the Gaza-land stop, permanently, then you might have peace.

'Til then, fire a rocket, expect a bigger rocket to be returned and to die in pieces.

BTW: If someone fired a weapon towards/at/near me, they better hope that they hit what they aimed at. I guarantee you, what's coming back at them will. And at a larger calibre than that which was fired originally.

Amen........and Amen.

[spdrun]

Stupid is thinking that any side is right in this ongoing shyteshow. Unless you're a zealot of one type of another.

Ideal solution would be to give the Chinese a UN mandate over the Holy Land. No religious interest from them for the most part, but a long history of brutality. Bet that Jews, Muslims, and Christians would quickly unite in the common cause of killing the occupiers.

[chilcutt]

Originally Posted by mgburg

It's obvious that the "Gaza Gang" (GG) don't care about anything (including their own women and children) other than an ideal.

They aren't compliant.
They want without giving.
They won't follow rules or regulations.
They elect radicals in hope that the same will change things for the better using some twisted "logic" that their attempt at control is going to make things easier.
They figure that firing 1,000s of Scud-like rockets is going to make Israel compliant to their wishes.
They're too stupid to realize that 1,000s of scuds will NOT scare Israel into compliancy.
Israel (and its citizenry), having a history of prosecution, will not put up with it any longer and will defend itself against all comers.
And with all the "wars" that were INSTIGATED by the Palestinians against the nation of Israel, each war was met with intense and justified power and the Palestinians lost both the war as well as land.
And in the interest of "peace" - some of that land has been given back and where does that stand as of today?

Regardless what Israel does to placate the idiots, there are those that don't want Israel around and until THAT attitude changes, I could care less if one woman or child on the Palestinian side dies today, tomorrow or next year, it's the responsibility of the "rocket-monkeys" to either quit firing rockets into Israel or otherwise, suffer the consequences.

War is a b!tch and if the Palestinians aren't smart enough to figure that out, then wipe the lot out.

Nobody has been able to fix stupid.

If Aramalongdingdong Ineedahandjob keeps telling anyone that GAS that he (and Iran) believe that Israel deserves to be "wiped off the map" - they should expect a "bulls-eye" on anything they believe will do the job.

As for today's carnage? When the rockets from the Gaza-land stop, permanently, then you might have peace.

'Til then, fire a rocket, expect a bigger rocket to be returned and to die in pieces.

BTW: If someone fired a weapon towards/at/near me, they better hope that they hit what they aimed at. I guarantee you, what's coming back at them will. And at a larger calibre than that which was fired originally.

In order to give credibility to your observations of that particular region-

May I ask you to share with the forum any/all of the countries you have personally visited in the M.E, Asia, E.Asia, S.E. Asia, Africa?

[cullennewsom]

Yeah, the Jews are always kind and gentle and just want to be left alone; and those other guys are just dirty barbarians who are always making trouble.

[Jim B.]

From the LA Times

Violence continues in Gaza - latimes.com

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by mgburg

It's obvious that the "Gaza Gang" (GG) don't care about anything (including their own women and children) other than an ideal.

They aren't compliant.
They want without giving.
They won't follow rules or regulations.
They elect radicals in hope that the same will change things for the better using some twisted "logic" that their attempt at control is going to make things easier.
They figure that firing 1,000s of Scud-like rockets is going to make Israel compliant to their wishes.
They're too stupid to realize that 1,000s of scuds will NOT scare Israel into compliancy.
Israel (and its citizenry), having a history of prosecution, will not put up with it any longer and will defend itself against all comers.
And with all the "wars" that were INSTIGATED by the Palestinians against the nation of Israel, each war was met with intense and justified power and the Palestinians lost both the war as well as land.
And in the interest of "peace" - some of that land has been given back and where does that stand as of today?

Regardless what Israel does to placate the idiots, there are those that don't want Israel around and until THAT attitude changes, I could care less if one woman or child on the Palestinian side dies today, tomorrow or next year, it's the responsibility of the "rocket-monkeys" to either quit firing rockets into Israel or otherwise, suffer the consequences.

War is a b!tch and if the Palestinians aren't smart enough to figure that out, then wipe the lot out.

Nobody has been able to fix stupid.

If Aramalongdingdong Ineedahandjob keeps telling anyone that GAS that he (and Iran) believe that Israel deserves to be "wiped off the map" - they should expect a "bulls-eye" on anything they believe will do the job.

As for today's carnage? When the rockets from the Gaza-land stop, permanently, then you might have peace.

'Til then, fire a rocket, expect a bigger rocket to be returned and to die in pieces.

BTW: If someone fired a weapon towards/at/near me, they better hope that they hit what they aimed at. I guarantee you, what's coming back at them will. And at a larger calibre than that which was fired originally.

Easily the most feeble, simple-minded description of the Israeli-Palestine conflict I have ever read....

But... at least you ended that stream of verbal diarrhea with an I'm-an-internet-tough-guy comment...

[layback40]

Originally Posted by mgburg

It's obvious that the "Gaza Gang" (GG) don't care about anything (including their own women and children) other than an ideal.

They aren't compliant.
They want without giving.
They won't follow rules or regulations.
They elect radicals in hope that the same will change things for the better using some twisted "logic" that their attempt at control is going to make things easier.
They figure that firing 1,000s of Scud-like rockets is going to make Israel compliant to their wishes.
They're too stupid to realize that 1,000s of scuds will NOT scare Israel into compliancy.
Israel (and its citizenry), having a history of prosecution, will not put up with it any longer and will defend itself against all comers.
And with all the "wars" that were INSTIGATED by the Palestinians against the nation of Israel, each war was met with intense and justified power and the Palestinians lost both the war as well as land.
And in the interest of "peace" - some of that land has been given back and where does that stand as of today?

Regardless what Israel does to placate the idiots, there are those that don't want Israel around and until THAT attitude changes, I could care less if one woman or child on the Palestinian side dies today, tomorrow or next year, it's the responsibility of the "rocket-monkeys" to either quit firing rockets into Israel or otherwise, suffer the consequences.

War is a b!tch and if the Palestinians aren't smart enough to figure that out, then wipe the lot out.

Nobody has been able to fix stupid.

If Aramalongdingdong Ineedahandjob keeps telling anyone that GAS that he (and Iran) believe that Israel deserves to be "wiped off the map" - they should expect a "bulls-eye" on anything they believe will do the job.

As for today's carnage? When the rockets from the Gaza-land stop, permanently, then you might have peace.

'Til then, fire a rocket, expect a bigger rocket to be returned and to die in pieces.

BTW: If someone fired a weapon towards/at/near me, they better hope that they hit what they aimed at. I guarantee you, what's coming back at them will. And at a larger calibre than that which was fired originally.

I am 100% with you on this mgburg !!
Best remember the Israeli's had an excellent teacher ~ the Nazi's.
You poke me in the eye, I knock your head off !!
Hopefully the Israeli's will get rid of the ring leaders of the GG & sort out Iran as well. No other country has the balls to do it!! The rest of the world sits back while the ME self destructs.
& yes Chilli, I have worked in those parts of the world. What we have is 2000 year old teachings using modern weapons.
What we need is the Israelis to do what the USA did in WW2. If they had not, Where you are Chilli would be a Japanese state & every one in the ME would be speaking German !

I am comfortable with Israel organizing a parcel of enriched uranium, just a bit above critical mass finding its way at a high speed into the Iranian uranium enrichment facilities. The peasants would think it was the second coming !

[spdrun]

Emulating the Nazis isn't exactly a badge of honor in my book - regardless of whether you're Jewish, Muslim, or Christian. But hey, to each his own.

Personally NOT hoping for Israeli aggression against Iran -- the country has been victimized enough in the last 100 years, and hopefully it will be in the position to defend itself if attacked.

[layback40]

Originally Posted by spdrun

Personally NOT hoping for Israeli aggression against Iran -- the country has been victimized enough in the last 100 years, and hopefully it will be in the position to defend itself if attacked.

Are you talking about Iran or Israel defending itself?
Iran is doing a good job of backing the attacks against Israel.

[spdrun]

Either country should be able to defend itself against first aggression.

[Dubyagee]

Originally Posted by spdrun

Either country should be able to defend itself against first aggression.

There's the rub. The claim of first aggression is perspective based and media decided for the most part.