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Old 12-19-2012, 04:37 PM
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Would multiple holes drilled with a bit be easier than a hole saw?
I'm thinking about this idea. The multiple holes would serve to disintegrate the shield when the hole saw just cleanly abrades the top of it.

I might give it a try.

Controlling depth is a bit of a problem, however. It's quite difficult to gauge how far the bit is travelling.

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Old 12-19-2012, 04:42 PM
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You almost need something like an ice pick in which the tip has been bent 45 degrees to insert between the electrode and the ring of metal to bend up the metal to the point where needle nose pliers can get a purchase on that metal and tear and pry it out in pieces.

Not easy.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:52 PM
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Wow! What a mess! I wish I had a good idea for you.
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You almost need something like an ice pick in which the tip has been bent 45 degrees to insert between the electrode and the ring of metal to bend up the metal to the point where needle nose pliers can get a purchase on that metal and tear and pry it out in pieces.

Not easy.
The ring of metal that you see in the photo is part of the plug. Outside this ring is the hex from the plug. If you look closely, you can just barely see the flats of the hex.

The problem is the shiny surface outside the hex. This is the area where I need the pick to attempt to lift that material. The problem is that the available area is very small. I estimate that the distance from the hex flats of the plug to the casting isn't more than .150" I need to be very careful not to damage the hex flats of the plug, or the game is completely over.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:54 PM
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Wow! What a mess! I wish I had a good idea for you.
Now, in 60 years of wrenching, I know you've had to suffer some type of similar fate...........and the machinist bailed you out............so, spill the beans.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:59 PM
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If I'm interpreting the picture correctly, there seems to be a space at the bottom where the heat shield is not intact? Maybe at 5 o'clock or so. Is that where the split in the heat shield originally existed? I think I'd try drilling into that area first
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If I'm interpreting the picture correctly, there seems to be a space at the bottom where the heat shield is not intact? Maybe at 5 o'clock or so. Is that where the split in the heat shield originally existed? I think I'd try drilling into that area first
That spot looks to be just a chip.

But, if I try the drill, I'll drill several holes all the way around. Then follow it up with the hole saw hoping for it to break up.
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Carbide tipped hole saws source

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Reading about this problem I was wondering if the 7/8" OD hole saw's ID fits over the 13/16" spark plug body flats, or did you accidently saw them off and now you are down to the cylinder head metal?
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Is it impossible to squeeze a dremmel tool in there?
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Is it impossible to squeeze a dremmel tool in there?
The 1/8" shaft is a problem...........the reach is a bit too far.

Additionally, I'd be concerned with what insert to use with the dremel. Bump into those corners on the plug and the game is over.

I think I'll try a 3/32 drill bit and put it down in about 10 places and see what I get.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 PM
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multiple pilot holes, as many as you can get, and then the hole saw...
sounds like a workable plan.
theoretically the heat shield is much softer material, so you will know by feel when you have punched through....

no matter how you slice it, you're deep into a shi**y job.

keep the faith, I'm sure you will persevere.

the dremel idea, maybe a small diameter chainsaw sharpening bit with the flexible extension....
you could ream around the outside of the hole, hopefully avoiding the hex of the plug...
I have the extension and said bits (leftover from a fairly miraculous skidsteer axle removal) if you think you could make them work, just say the word.
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In general, if attempting to get an intact heat shield out, I'd try to induce a significant temperature differential between the shield and the head. Probably get the head hot by running the engine with the radiator partly blocked and then put dry ice on the heat shield to break it free from the head.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:13 AM
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maybe if you could get a small enough cylindrical file or a rat tail file that works with a drill you might be able to grind away the extra material

google cylindrical file also look at the images section for this search
same for cylindrical file burr
same for rat tail file
same for conical file

this site has some stuff that might help - reaming tools and similar
http://www.aliexpress.com/compare/compare-drill-bits-reamers.html

Most heat shielding I’ve seen is aluminum or similar and pretty soft so it would come away easily with a small but strong enough grinding tool
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:53 AM
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Amen to that.

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Old 12-20-2012, 08:25 AM
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maybe if you could get a small enough cylindrical file or a rat tail file that works with a drill you might be able to grind away the extra material

google cylindrical file also look at the images section for this search
same for cylindrical file burr
same for rat tail file
same for conical file

this site has some stuff that might help - reaming tools and similar
http://www.aliexpress.com/compare/compare-drill-bits-reamers.html

Most heat shielding I’ve seen is aluminum or similar and pretty soft so it would come away easily with a small but strong enough grinding tool
The problem with those is the fact that you really cannot risk any size larger than .093". The strength of a .093" file perpendicular to its axis is minimal and you cannot get any cutting action. I wouldn't even risk a .125" file in that space because of the risk of hitting the corners of the plug.

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