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dynalow 12-17-2012 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3067452)
In my daughters Pediatric practice she has created a niche in which she does a lot of work with Autistic kids. She has worked out some unconventional methods of treating them which seem to work at a point in time when the conventional wisdom is there is nothing to do for them medically.

She also sees a lot of kids classified as having Asbergers syndrome which she seems to see as being related to autism. I confess i don't really understand it all that well.She says that the parents of the kids with Asbergers must be able to tell the kids no and have a level of discipline or they will veer off and be non productive citizens if allowed to simply do whatever they wish.
No need to learn about it. It's been eliminated! The new DSM-5 does away with the term. :rolleyes:

CHICAGO -- The now familiar term "Asperger's disorder" is being dropped. And abnormally bad and frequent temper tantrums will be given a scientific-sounding diagnosis called DMDD. But "dyslexia" and other learning disorders remain.

The revisions come in the first major rewrite in nearly 20 years of the diagnostic guide used by the nation's psychiatrists. Changes were approved Saturday.

Full details of all the revisions will come next May when the American Psychiatric Association's new diagnostic manual is published, but the impact will be huge, affecting millions of children and adults worldwide. The manual also is important for the insurance industry in deciding what treatment to pay for, and it helps schools decide how to allot special education.

DSM-5: Psychiatrists OK Vast Changes To Diagnosis Manual

I met a woman a couple of weeks ago at a dinner party who admitted to having this condition. She talked about this change. ( I admit I had never heard of "Aspergers" prior to this discussion.) She was a character.;)

Brian Carlton 12-17-2012 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 3067509)



Why? You're not talking about a theoretically rehabilitatable criminal, you're talking about a whack job. Why should they ever be allowed to wander around in society?

- Peter.
I don't wish to argue against such "incarceration" because, as compared to the current situation, it's a step in the right direction.

The terms under which said individuals can be kept out of society are a bit muddled, IMHO.

Brian Carlton 12-17-2012 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by raymr (Post 3067510)
It would involve increased parental awareness. Most won't comply or pay attention but maybe some will, and maybe enough to make a small difference.
I agree.

You must start somewhere.

If the government provided suitable housing and facilities that put pressure on the parent (which is easily done when the child is dragged in to said facility), quite a few of the dangerous individuals could be taken out of the general society.

Of course, that's going to need a tax increase...............

chilcutt 12-17-2012 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 3067511)
oh yeah, that's right, demonize veterans.... sounds like you have been drinking the kool aide....:mad:
no demonization at all.
this is an issue americans will have to face...as they are facts.

turning a blind eye will not make this impending disaster go away

hiding behind your finger wont help address the mental health needs of the men and women returning after their service is over.


look deeper jake.

edge 12-17-2012 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3067517)
If we strip away pure emotion and get down to analytical logic the deal comes down to this: We cannot control A (nut jobs), however, we can control B (ourselves). If every teacher was armed and well trained in the use of deadly force, they would be in a position to stop the carnage at the point of invasion. Bolt bullet proof desks to the floors of each class room. Install a digital security lock on a desk drawer which houses a high capacity hand gun. Require that teachers attend firearms training monthly. Post the teacher's targets/shooting scores in the front entry of the school.

Why all this? Because it is true, a pussy will seek out a venue where they know no defense will be presented, i.e. a "gun free" zone. These pussies know that in a school, they will face very little opposition. Obviously, we are at war and there is an enemy that MUST be dealt with. Banning guns, limiting the amount of ammunition etc etc. are all band aids.

If these whacko psychotic nut jobs are looking to go out in a blaze of glory, give them what they want, only don't allow them take out innocents in the process.
You have been watching too much Rambo. If the mom didn't own all those guns in the house, where would a 20 year old suburban kid get guns, assault rifles and multi magazine rounds in CT, one of the most strictest states with gun control laws?

raymr 12-17-2012 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3067517)
If we strip away pure emotion and get down to some analytical logic the deal comes down to this: We cannot control A (nut jobs), however, we can control B (ourselves). If every teacher was armed and well trained in the use of deadly force, they would be in a position to stop the carnage at the point of invasion. Bolt bullet proof desks to the floors of each class room. Install a digital security lock on a desk drawer which houses a high capacity hand gun. Require that teachers attend firearms training monthly. Post the teacher's targets/shooting scores in the front entry of the school.

Why all this? Because it is true, a pussy will seek out a venue where they know no defense will be presented, i.e. a "gun free" zone. These pussies know that in a school, they will face very little opposition. Obviously, we are at war and there is an enemy that MUST be dealt with. Banning guns, limiting the amount of ammunition etc etc. are all band aids.

If these whacko psychotic nut jobs are looking to go out in a blaze of glory, give them what they want, only don't allow them take out innocents in the process.
Then you have to identify and fix other soft targets - shopping centers, libraries, churches, fast food places. Harden them all, remove all windows and easy access. Essentially make them into military style bunkers. These people aren't "pussies", they are SICK. Only a sicko will blow his mother's brains out. And as they are sick, you will never know what kind of target they have in mind.

Txjake 12-17-2012 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3067517)
If we strip away pure emotion and get down to analytical logic the deal comes down to this: We cannot control A (nut jobs), however, we can control B (ourselves). If every teacher was armed and well trained in the use of deadly force, they would be in a position to stop the carnage at the point of invasion. Bolt bullet proof desks to the floors of each class room. Install a digital security lock on a desk drawer which houses a high capacity hand gun. Require that teachers attend firearms training monthly. Post the teacher's targets/shooting scores in the front entry of the school.

Why all this? Because it is true, a pussy will seek out a venue where they know no defense will be presented, i.e. a "gun free" zone. These pussies know that in a school, they will face very little opposition. Obviously, we are at war and there is an enemy that MUST be dealt with. Banning guns, limiting the amount of ammunition etc etc. are all band aids.

If these whacko psychotic nut jobs are looking to go out in a blaze of glory, give them what they want, only don't allow them take out innocents in the process.
agree

pj67coll 12-17-2012 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by raymr (Post 3067525)
Then you have to identify and fix other soft targets - shopping centers, libraries, churches, fast food places.
No, you do not. Because in all these other so called "soft targets" there is no requirement for the citizenry to be unarmed and defenseless. In schools that is a requirement and whack jobs know that perfectly well. Witness the sicko in Aurora Colorado who targeted a movie theater specifically because it was a "gun free zone" whereas there were other theaters closer to his home which were not.

Why do you think it is that these screw ups never target police stations, shooting ranges, gun shops etc?

- Peter.

HuskyMan 12-17-2012 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by raymr (Post 3067525)
Then you have to identify and fix other soft targets - shopping centers, libraries, churches, fast food places. Harden them all, remove all windows and easy access. Essentially make them into military style bunkers. These people aren't "pussies", they are SICK. Only a sicko will blow his mother's brains out. And as they are sick, you will never know what kind of target they have in mind.
Obviously, you don't have much of a read on this particular subject. Weak people will NEVER go up against powerful people. And a gun is power, make no mistake. Weak in the knees pussy nut jobs respect only one thing; power. "Gun Free" zones, i.e. restaurants, bars, post offices, airports, schools, work places, etc etc are obviously a great place for a weak in the knees pussy to show up and begin shooting. They face NO resistance from anyone. Why make it easy for them? Place a metal detector at the door and the moment they walk in and draw down on innocents, let 'em have it. Drop them before they drop you.

I'd suggest you view the Stallone move, "Cobra" on how he dealt with whackos who were used to running over the weak. What was the line from the movie? "You're the disease and I'm the cure".

raymr 12-17-2012 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 3067541)
No, you do not. Because in all these other so called "soft targets" there is no requirement for the citizenry to be unarmed and defenseless. In schools that is a requirement and whack jobs know that perfectly well. Witness the sicko in Aurora Colorado who targeted a movie theater specifically because it was a "gun free zone" whereas there were other theaters closer to his home which were not.

Why do you think it is that these screw ups never target police stations, shooting ranges, gun shops etc?

- Peter.
There were a number of military people in the audience at that Aurora theater. Why didn't they go to a more secure BYOF theater? Shouldn't they have known better?

t walgamuth 12-17-2012 11:06 AM
I told the Mrs this morning I think it will come to having an armed guard at our schools at all times.

It won't prevent every incident but it will prevent some perhaps most of them.

HuskyMan 12-17-2012 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3067561)
I told the Mrs this morning I think it will come to having an armed guard at our schools at all times.

It won't prevent every incident but it will prevent some perhaps most of them.
Not to dis your idea, but having been around rent a cops, I'm not sure I'd trust the lives of children to them. Most places that hire them, hire only ONE. A well placed head shot would eliminate them whereas the nut jobs would have a more difficult time in taking out a school full of armed teachers. As soon as the school alarm is sounded, all teachers except for the one that is in the room with Mr. Whacko escort the children out of the building. That teacher engages the nut and keeps him occupied knowing that the other teachers are on their way back into the building to partake in some enjoyable target shooting.

Place the whacko's shot up body in front of the school with a sign: "This is how we deal with sickos". Leave the body in front of the school for a full week so that the media can get plenty of news coverage.

Dubyagee 12-17-2012 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3067569)
Not to dis your idea, but having been around rent a cops, I'm not sure I'd trust the lives of children to them. Most places that hire them, hire only ONE. A well placed head shot would eliminate them whereas the nut jobs would have a more difficult time in taking out a school full of armed teachers. As soon as the school alarm is sounded, all teachers except for the one that is in the room with Mr. Whacko escort the children out of the building. That teacher engages the nut and keeps him occupied knowing that the other teachers are on their way back into the building to partake in some enjoyable target shooting.

Place the whacko's shot up body in front of the school with a sign: "This is how we deal with sickos". Leave the body in front of the school for a full week so that the media can get plenty of news coverage.
Retired military or police would love a decent paying gig. Dont really care for the last paragraph though.


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kerry 12-17-2012 11:31 AM
Noticed in today's paper that the shooter had attended Catholic school. So much for the 'caused by god being kept out of schools' argument.

kerry 12-17-2012 11:33 AM
Lots of the high schools around here have a full time cop at the school I think.


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