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jplinville 12-20-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3070121)
And who's going to pay for that, the NRA?

Actually, you'd be surprised at the number of hunters and other gun owners that would agree to a small tax on ammunition or firearms sales, provided that the money would actually go to a program that insures this is taught. States already increased costs for range pass sales to help pay for range time, why not at a tax on that to go for the education as well?? I'm not talking about Billions of dollars here...just a few million to print posters to be hung in classrooms and the like.

Having those posters there would be a constant reminder to the students that they would see daily.

If you wanted to ramp it up to include a course on gun safety in the schools, then find a way to provide Federally operated ranges open to the public, and use revenue from that to fund those classes.

Jorn 12-20-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3070180)
Actually, you'd be surprised at the number of hunters and other gun owners that would agree to a small tax on ammunition or firearms sales, provided that the money would actually go to a program that insures this is taught. States already increased costs for range pass sales to help pay for range time, why not at a tax on that to go for the education as well?? I'm not talking about Billions of dollars here...just a few million to print posters to be hung in classrooms and the like.

Having those posters there would be a constant reminder to the students that they would see daily.

If you wanted to ramp it up to include a course on gun safety in the schools, then find a way to provide Federally operated ranges open to the public, and use revenue from that to fund those classes.

Ok, small tax on ammo sounds reasonable. Maybe also a small tax to pay for all the damage bullets cause, like with cigarettes. I'm sure hospitals would like to recoupe some of that.

Txjake 12-20-2012 04:40 PM

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. ( Desmond Tutu)

t walgamuth 12-20-2012 04:49 PM

Sometimes people who have a weapon get themselves into trouble because of false courage inspired by the gun.

A local contractor who I know well and have worked with for years has a son who has always been a bit flakey. He got a divorce and about the same time got a Concealed carry permit.

One evening he was in a bar and got into an arguement with the bouncer. The bouncer dragged him outside and (I am told) started choking him. Fearing for his life (I am told) he drew his gun. Fortunately he did not shoot the bouncer but the bar pressed charges and the flakey son actually went to jail for pulling his gun (I am told) on the bouncer.

Poor judgement + alcohol + gun = a bad result for my friends flakey son.

The son has some kids too.

My friend the contractor is as good as they come, hardworking, honest and skilled, but he has had very bad luck with his kids. This one in jail, a daughter who OD'd too.

Very sad.

MS Fowler 12-20-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky (Post 3070146)
why, does she deserve to be left alone? Shes the perfect example of careless stupidity getting dozens of people killed.

The person who knew her son the best, was his mother. The same person who retained, trained, and left weapons immediately available for this type of spree.

She is equal in guilt in my opinion. I have no patience for feeling sorry for her.

She is DEAD.

MS Fowler 12-20-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3070215)
Sometimes people who have a weapon get themselves into trouble because of false courage inspired by the gun.

A local contractor who I know well and have worked with for years has a son who has always been a bit flakey. He got a divorce and about the same time got a Concealed carry permit.

One evening he was in a bar and got into an arguement with the bouncer. The bouncer dragged him outside and (I am told) started choking him. Fearing for his life (I am told) he drew his gun. Fortunately he did not shoot the bouncer but the bar pressed charges and the flakey son actually went to jail for pulling his gun (I am told) on the bouncer.

Poor judgement + alcohol + gun = a bad result for my friends flakey son.

The son has some kids too.

My friend the contractor is as good as they come, hardworking, honest and skilled, but he has had very bad luck with his kids. This one in jail, a daughter who OD'd too.

Very sad.

True
Very Sad
Not germane to THIS discussion.

JB3 12-20-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3070253)
She is DEAD.


so are 30 other people, none of which had a hand in the creation of this incident.

Im not sure where your sorrow for this woman comes from. She would be in jail right now for her criminal negligence as it stands were she alive and you can bet money that CT would be throwing the book at her.

jplinville 12-20-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3070195)
Ok, small tax on ammo sounds reasonable. Maybe also a small tax to pay for all the damage bullets cause, like with cigarettes. I'm sure hospitals would like to recoupe some of that.

That tax is already in place...it was supposed to go pay for smoker's related illness, wasn't it?

MTI 12-20-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3070085)
Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World - YouTube

Those poor Jews in Europe did pretty good in Warsaw against the SS when they managed to get armed.

Let's get back to current times . . .

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias

Jorn 12-20-2012 06:26 PM

"John was planning to wear a Santa costume and hand out candy to his classmates, his father said, when he posted, “Students of cchs in for a big surprise tomorrow.”

The new reality. Now imagen schools with overzealous ex cops and military personel as guards...

Air&Road 12-20-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3070215)
Sometimes people who have a weapon get themselves into trouble because of false courage inspired by the gun.

A local contractor who I know well and have worked with for years has a son who has always been a bit flakey. He got a divorce and about the same time got a Concealed carry permit.

One evening he was in a bar and got into an arguement with the bouncer. The bouncer dragged him outside and (I am told) started choking him. Fearing for his life (I am told) he drew his gun. Fortunately he did not shoot the bouncer but the bar pressed charges and the flakey son actually went to jail for pulling his gun (I am told) on the bouncer.

Poor judgement + alcohol + gun = a bad result for my friends flakey son.

The son has some kids too.

My friend the contractor is as good as they come, hardworking, honest and skilled, but he has had very bad luck with his kids. This one in jail, a daughter who OD'd too.

Very sad.


Yes, the decision to carry a gun for personal protection is a VERY serious one! Even someone who is EXTREMELY proficient with the gun, but has never been put in the rare situation of having to defend someone or himself with it for real, NEVER knows if they will actually be able to do so until the time comes. It might very well end up getting them deeper into a bad situation. If the time comes they will freeze and pee their pants or be able to think and possibly save themselves and others.

Brian Carlton 12-20-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3070329)
If the time comes they will freeze and pee their pants or be able to think and possibly save themselves and others.

...........or use it to shoot some DB who desperately deserves it, but, unfortunately has the law on his side...........:mad:

Dubyagee 12-20-2012 07:53 PM

"Less than 20 years ago, I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer and the bomb was set to detonate around 2 ‘o clock in the morning, but it was a construction explosive that doesn’t detonate when it drops below freezing. It doesn’t usually freeze in San Francisco, but on this night it dropped below freezing and the bomb didn’t detonate.

"I was very lucky, but I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home and I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself, because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. When I walked to the hospital when my husband was sick, I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out I was going to take them with me. Now having said all of that, that was period of time ago and I’ve watched through these 20 years as terrorism has increased both on the far extremist left and the far extremist right in this country."

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D - CA)

Dang, that's not helping either.... Must practice better propaganda. brb

Air&Road 12-20-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3070335)
...........or use it to shoot some DB who desperately deserves it, but, unfortunately has the law on his side...........:mad:


Yep! That reminds me of a line from some John Wayne movie; "I never killed anyone who didn't need killin'.":laughing:

davidmash 12-20-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3069814)
You have more faith than I.
How many "hiding" places are there in a house? In a house where mom or mom and dad work so the kids are free to roam and explore. Kids never manage to find stuff their parents hide do they? Like "those " books and movies. Kids probably have a better knowledge of stuff in their parent's house than the parents do.
Your second paragraph is interesting--it states that current laws are not effective, and then makes the curious LEAP that future laws will be effective.
Its easier to believe ( and smarter, too) that something that has happened in the past will happen again than to assume that something that has never happened will happen. Gun laws do not prevent gun deaths.

That's why I have always mentioned a safe and not a hiding place.

Watered down laws are rarely effective. The current gun laws do not. They are ineffective and watered down. They allow anyone to buy a gun no questions asked. A law outlawing that would have an effect. Laws that allow such transactions are ineffective.


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