Originally Posted by Diesel911

This is something that happened to Me.

I was driving by a School and came to an intersection with a Stop Sign (narrow residential Streets).

Acrossed the intersection was a Police Car and 2 Officers with what I guess was a Suspect sitting against the School Chain link Fence.

From the Sidewalk the one Officer saw Me and pointed His Flash Light at Me in a manner that made me think He wanted Me to go around them. I also saw a Hat in the Middle of the Road near them and thought that He wanted Me to go around that; evidence maybe?

So I pulled away extremely slowly to go around the Hat and as I was doing the Office stepped Towards Me still waving the Flash Light in the same Manner and I continued and He kept waving and advancing until He partially blocked My way.

I stopped and He went on as to why I continued to come forward instead of making a left Turn; apparently He was not waving Me around that Hat and did not want Me to go straight down hat Street.
He had stepped in front of My Car He also said He thought I was trying to run over Him.

So I ended up backing up the Car and going the way He wanted to.

This is what I got from the Experience. The Officer some how expected Me to know what He was trying to communicate to Me when He was waving the Flashlight.
The got from the comment that He though I was trying to run over Him that that particular Officer must be a little paranoid.

I also know from some training that I had in the past you can't effectively direct traffic from the Sidewalk.

As I thought about it later I came to the conclusion that the Poilce Officers are a groupe of People that extremely isolated from the main stream of the People and they have their own group think and values. They don't ever get to have a normal life even when they are off duty.
And, that that isolation and the part of the Public that the do deal with does not leave them in a normal frame of mind.

Now what do you suppose would have happend to Me if I had gotten mad at being accused of trying to run over the Officer and talked back?

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

No such thing as 'overgunned'.... right??

Or does that only apply to citizens...

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Jump back over the fence the way you came in??

Nobody would expect an officer to take a mauling from any dog, regardless of the reason or lack thereof for the encounter...However, in a circumstance of being in someone's fenced backyard and shooting the family dog, the officer should make every attempt to remove himself without using lethal force on the dog, even if it included getting bitten a few times.

Remember, serve and protect.

Originally Posted by MTUpower

I agree with everything you opined here except this. If they wait to see a weapon it may be too late. Obviously we need a higher standard than what is in place now but I don't know what that standard is. I agree that cops are too trigger happy- but people are effn stupid, idiotic and unpredictable. Far too many DB's from our broken multicultural society.

Originally Posted by aklim

Over being cut off? Seems kinda lot of effort over one simple thing and with so many other people around. If I was going to do something illegal, I'd make sure nobody else was around. They do say that 2 men might keep a secret if one was dead.

Is it your contention that they just burst in with their guns blazing? Based on experience with being stopped, I can't say that I believe that was likely.

How would you do that? If you see someone reaching into a jacket for something, how do you determine if that is a weapon or not without putting themselves in line for a bullet? Do you understand the risk you are asking someone to take in this day and age?

Originally Posted by Diesel911

After that attempted Bank Robbery out here in Los Angeles where the suspects shot it out with so called Assault Weapons (and are dead) the Police cried they were under gunned. (They barrowed AR-15s from a Gun Store down the Street.)

The Media made a big deal of the being under gunned but the Law allows the Police to use and Gun that their own Department allows.

There Department I guess never thought to equip the Squad Cars with AR-15s or other similar weapons.

Originally Posted by Diesel911

I would never turn My back on an agressive Dog.

If you pass a barking Dog on the Street it backs away from you untill you go past it and then they will try colse in on you and to follow you until you are out of what ever area they think is their territory.
If you turn around a face them they back off again.

A Dog in his own yard might not back off.

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Your previous contention was that the police ordered the individual to stop.

I'm waiting for you to support that position. I'm not interested in more of your ramblings until you can support that position.

I see no evidence of that position in the former case and I definitely see no evidence of that position in the case in NY.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

You probably wouldn't leap in to it's family's back yard either....

The dog in question was a Rhodesian Ridgeback.... 70lbs.... Not an aggressive breed, or a very large breed, and certainly not an excessive threat (even if provoked) to a full grown man in good physical condition. (I'm assuming the cop was in good physical condition....)

Originally Posted by aklim

According to my neighbor who IS a cop in good standing, that is pretty much SOP in most of the departments he has been in and he is getting close to retirement. What else are you wanting? A camera?

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Jump back over the fence the way you came in??

Nobody would expect an officer to take a mauling from any dog, regardless of the reason or lack thereof for the encounter...However, in a circumstance of being in someone's fenced backyard and shooting the family dog, the officer should make every attempt to remove himself without using lethal force on the dog, even if it included getting bitten a few times.

Remember, serve and protect.

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Let me get this perfectly clear in my mind:

You want us to take the word of your neighbor who claims that the cops "pretty much use SOP" in "most of the departments he has been in" and you want to apply his word across every incident in the entire USA that involves a police shooting and give the cop the benefit of any doubt?

Wow..........I gave you more credit than that.

Originally Posted by aklim

I am saying that the odds are favorable that he was ordered to stop.

Originally Posted by MTUpower

Will never happen. Get bit a "few" times? If the dog pulls him down and bites him in the neck do you think the next cop will say to themselves -"ok- just one bite before I pull my gun" ??? If the perp is in the yard hidden and the dog attack the cop then the perp shoots the preoccupied cop do you think in the future cops will allow a "few" bites again?

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Nope, not buying that based upon the word of your neighbor.

The NYC police department is a perfect example of police that can easily get out of control at the slightest provocation. They're nervous and trigger happy...........for all the known reasons.