Do not know the procedure. I would make the assumption that they would "typically" follow your stated procedure, but I do not know if they are required to follow it.

I'm positive they are more edgy due to the significantly greater number of their fellow officers getting killed. The "percentage basis" is irrelevant. Their perception is derived on officers that are killed in the entire department and I'm sure the number is greater than Madison.

Ya know.... you can make up scenarios all day to counter my position that the DB cop had no right to come into those people's yard and shoot their dog.

Have at it if you like.

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See above post.

Cat.... Can sever a tendon
Shoot all the dam cats you like, mine or anyone else's.

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You know, I didn't ask that question whether there would be repercussions if the procedure were not followed but I am sure that there are repercussions for not following procedure once the crap hits the fan.

Actually, I was referring to whether there are more instances of edgy cops that have gotten into trouble in NYC vs any other major city.

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And you too can make up things all day long. Nobody is saying the cop has a right to randomly walk into a yard a shoot a dog

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Well, One of my wife's patients did have a tendon issue when a cat bit her so it is possible. Point is, any bite can cause problems. Suggesting that anyone should take a few bites from anyone or anything without defending him/herself is kinda asking too much.

As I have said, I am a dog person and I don't like cops but IF the dog was being aggressive, I have no issue with the cop protecting him/herself. If a dog was coming at me in an aggresive manner and you think I am going to wait for it to bite me a few times before I do anything or let it bite me while I am trying to get away, you are nuts. I'd be more than happy to let you play "rear guard" if I was in that situation though. This is not Sylvester the cat trying to get at Tweety Bird and getting beat up by the dog and is fine in the next scene..

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Still want to side with the cops?

Clearly, you didn't read the article on the incident on the Parkway which clearly shows the driver had his hands on the steering wheel and he was shot by Hassan from the passenger side.

The same DB with the ESU broke into this fellow's house and kicked the crap out of him for no reason. You think the the city settled that case for $235K because they were not guilty?


Queens grandmother recalls night of terror with NYPD detective under investigation for killing a National Guardsman - NY Daily News


Many of these DB's are out of control in NYC and they do anything they want when their testosterone gets elevated (which is every day!!).

Until they are declared guilty by a court of law, they are innocent regardless of whether we think they are guilty or not.

Can you cite the line of that article that SHOWS that? Best I could come up with is what DD said. It doesn't show it like an impartial camera footage would. Wait till she is cross examined and the jury accepts it before we can be sure.

I don't know. Getting excessive on a guy is one thing. What you are accusing him of is murder, something more serious. Did he cross the line even further than before? I am not sure. I'd really like this one to come out in a court of law before I can feel certain that he did simply shoot to kill the guy. Just because I think it shows a tendency of the cop to cross the line doesn't make me say "murder" at this time.

That I don't know much about. I haven't compared the statistics of NYC cops with respect to other major cities in the USA.

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It isn't a question of standards. I would imagine the "use of deadly force" rules are largely the same the world over, where police carry weapons. You can write and rewrite standards until you run out of ink, but it won't do much to change situations like the one with the marine on the parkway.

As far as I know, shooting someone simply because they move, in the absence of having seen (or having other reasonable and probable grounds to suspect the presence of) a weapon, doesn't meet use of deadly force standards in any civilized society.

However, there are standards, and then there is what happens on the street in the cold light of day, or the wee hours of the night, far away from standards.

MTUpower is correct in his observation that sometimes police will shoot based on other things. These can include: gut instinct/years of experience, an honest mistake, poor training (this is a biggie, even in some large municipal departments), having pulled the service weapon prematurely (this tends to escalate situations and reduces chances of a non-violent resolution), burnout, having a headache, having a hangover (or actually being drunk), prejudice, having a serious issue dealing with people, having been hired in error in the first place (senior officer uncle gets sister's dimwit son a job, etc., old old story), being generally a force-happy *******, or the real biggie cops NEVER talk about: fear.

We have had our share of shocking incidents here in Canada, where our police have much stricter use-of-deadly-force parameters under our national criminal code than Stateside (for example, police in Canada are not permitted in law to shoot a fleeing 'felon' only on that basis, they can only use deadly force if their life or the life of another is under direct threat).

Four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers (who are supposed to be among the best trained police in the world) killed a Polish immigrant who spoke no English and who was slightly mentally deficient, who was having a serious panic attack and acting weird, after he deplaned at Vancouver airport by overpowering him onto the ground, then tasering him eight times because he waved a desk stapler at them.... from about 10 feet away. (Border protection officers had ignored the guy for an hour and let him get worked up. No one ever tried to find someone to speak to him. It was later established his mother had been waiting about 50 feet away, outside immigration.) They then ended up disgraced because they altered their notes on the incident and attempted an organized perjury at the ensuing judicial enquiry. When they tried to lie their way out of it a member of the public who had recorded it on his mobile came forward. Oops. Oh yeah, and then the senior officer who participated ran away (literally) from the scene of an accident a few weeks later, to try to beat DUI charges -- he ran home and downed a few Vodkas before the municipal police could get there. Pure class.

A Montreal patrol officer killed a 16-year-old boy in a city park after he and his friends (all unarmed) made fun of him and called he and his partner stupid. The officers said they felt "threatened".

Another Montreal officer instigated a small brawl when she started beating up a guy she saw drinking a beer on his front step (he was holding the door open for friends moving in furniture). He didn't put the beer down fast enough for her taste and started a drum solo with her baton. An open container violation (probably a $60 ticket) ended up with about 12 cruisers blocking the street to prevent a riot. Sadly for her, she didn't realize one of his friends recorded the whole thing on his cellphone:
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