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Old 12-30-2012, 02:26 PM
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Why would I have to explain what someone else told you? I spoke from my own experience, he spoke from his.

Based on your food and nutrition comments here over a long period of time I would say it's unlikely you'd ever pay over the cheapest grocery store sale price on milk you could find, so it's immaterial anyhow.
I was merely questioning the practice. When a farmer during a Q&A session at the fair with his buddies nodding says that people who never had raw milk in their lives can have gastric wonders, I tend to pay attention. After all, who badmouths their own product untruthfully?

And based on your statement, I would say you simply didn't comprehend what I was saying. I pay less for more. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I go for taste. If your product doesn't taste better, I am NOT paying you more for it. If you want me to pay more than supermarket price, you best show me why. I buy better steaks at the butcher shop and pay more than Wal*Mart because it is noticeably better tasting. I have the wife give it to me in a blind test to check. As to nutrition, unless it is radically more, taste trumps it. If your product is 10% more in cost, make sure I can taste the 10% or I am not paying for it. I'll buy it at a 20% discount but NOT a 10% markup if you cannot justify it.

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Old 12-30-2012, 02:31 PM
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The product we buy as milk after all the processing and whatever is a very poor product in comparison to real milk. It will not even sour it just rots instead..

People paying 8.50 a gallon for one percent so called milk disturb me.
When you say that, exactly why do you say that? What is the price differential between the two? How much better is one from the other? What has the souring or rotting got to do with it?

Well, there will always be people that are willing to pay for it. I had a woman who had all the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. After her dentist, whom in good conscience could not install traditional fillings and only use gold, changed all her fillings and the symptoms miraculously disappeared, it got me wondering on the placebo effects.
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The product we buy as milk after all the processing and whatever is a very poor product in comparison to real milk. It will not even sour it just rots instead..

At one time with simple pasturazation it was decent in comparison. I have to wonder what they do with it in some regions like mine. People paying 8.50 a gallon for one percent so called milk disturb me.

Where is the market for butterfat today anyways? I do not think butter is stockpiled and given away to other countries from Canada anymore but may be wrong about that.
I'm more bothered by the lack of interest in labeling GMO foods. So we won't even know if or when cows that are fed GMO grains ("essentially identical" to natural grains) are providing our milk supply. Not to mention GMO livestock. A letter to my congressman about GMO labels was replied to with a simple statement about the complex demands of feeding a hungry world.
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I'd be happy to see GMOs banned.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:56 PM
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I'd be happy to see GMOs banned.
If you eat anything that comes from a package and was processed in a factory, it contains GMOs unless specifically labeled otherwise. 90 percent of all the soybeans grown today are GM. Tofu, "healthy" soy milk? GM. Virtually all the field corn grown for ethanol is GModded to be RoundUp ready and corn LOVES to cross pollinate. Unless you know the source of all of your food, you are eating them daily. The main reason they concern me has to do with the way they cross into other strains of the same plant, effectively wiping out local landraces of various food crops that have been seed-saved and grown by local farmers for generations. Screw diversity. We want CHEAP food.
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Unless you know the source of all of your food, you are eating them daily.
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The main reason they concern me has to do with the way they cross into other strains of the same plant, effectively wiping out local landraces of various food crops that have been seed-saved and grown by local farmers for generations. Screw diversity. We want CHEAP food.
That is another of my concerns with GMO crops. As for good news, I just found out Ireland has a complete ban on them.
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That Farm Bill got extended another year, so worry is over for now.

My grandparents had a milk cow (one!) and had to put up with raw milk many times when we visited. YUK. The beef they raised and canned was quite good though, lots of memories of canned beef, whatever vegetables were in supply (changed with the seasons just like olden times), powdered mashed potatoes, and raw milk.
Then they got rid of the milk cow, it was then that I learned powdered milk isn't so bad after all. I still wonder if the milk cow died and got canned.

They lived a good and simple life on the farm.
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That Farm Bill got extended another year, so worry is over for now.

My grandparents had a milk cow (one!) and had to put up with raw milk many times when we visited. YUK. The beef they raised and canned was quite good though, lots of memories of canned beef, whatever vegetables were in supply (changed with the seasons just like olden times), powdered mashed potatoes, and raw milk.
Then they got rid of the milk cow, it was then that I learned powdered milk isn't so bad after all. I still wonder if the milk cow died and got canned.

They lived a good and simple life on the farm.
Much milk from the farms has undesired tastes. The processors put it through a stabalization process to make the milk taste the same in general. I am not certain the process is called stabilizing though as it has been a long time since I examined a milk process line.

Milk if 1,2 percent or straight homoginized has no pricing differential up here in eastern Canada.On average we use about two litres a day in our household. Very slightly more than half an american gallon. Or at the price we pay about 100.00 per months supply..
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I'm more bothered by the lack of interest in labeling GMO foods. So we won't even know if or when cows that are fed GMO grains ("essentially identical" to natural grains) are providing our milk supply. Not to mention GMO livestock. A letter to my congressman about GMO labels was replied to with a simple statement about the complex demands of feeding a hungry world.

GMO livestock? Better give me an example........
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I'd be happy to see GMOs banned.

Good luck with that idea. It's not going to happen. What may happen in the future is something will come along to replace it. What that is, I can't say.

If we did as you suggest, the price of food would rise dramaticly. That would cause some very serious ripple effects across all levels of the economy and society.

Grow your own garden and stop fretting.
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If you eat anything that comes from a package and was processed in a factory, it contains GMOs unless specifically labeled otherwise. 90 percent of all the soybeans grown today are GM. Tofu, "healthy" soy milk? GM. Virtually all the field corn grown for ethanol is GModded to be RoundUp ready and corn LOVES to cross pollinate. Unless you know the source of all of your food, you are eating them daily. The main reason they concern me has to do with the way they cross into other strains of the same plant, effectively wiping out local landraces of various food crops that have been seed-saved and grown by local farmers for generations. Screw diversity. We want CHEAP food.
Tofu made in the Pacific rim is non GMO. Trust me, I know this .

Corn will not cross pollinate as you describe. I've planted sweet corn right along side field corn and it didn't affect it at all. Open pollenated corn, which almost no one grows anymore, would do what you suggest but hybred varieties today won't do that.

RR soya beans won't cross over to non GMO beans. What has happened is the mixing of the two seeds at local elevators. They don't ask nor care what you're delivering so it all goes into one big storage tank.
Only certified seed will contain what you are actually planting. RR seed is so exspensive that it will be what you ask for.

All of this is far more complicated than it looks. I'm farming to make money not piss around growing weeds or wasting my time or valuable fuel, seeds, fertilizer and machinery. However, none of that compares to the value of farm land in my area. Real estate may have droped a bit in price but not farm land. Nothing under 5K these days and some of the better stuff is 15K. The ratio is about 50:1 in terms of cost relative to productive capacity.
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I was merely questioning the practice. When a farmer during a Q&A session at the fair with his buddies nodding says that people who never had raw milk in their lives can have gastric wonders, I tend to pay attention. After all, who badmouths their own product untruthfully?

And based on your statement, I would say you simply didn't comprehend what I was saying. I pay less for more. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I go for taste. If your product doesn't taste better, I am NOT paying you more for it. If you want me to pay more than supermarket price, you best show me why. I buy better steaks at the butcher shop and pay more than Wal*Mart because it is noticeably better tasting. I have the wife give it to me in a blind test to check. As to nutrition, unless it is radically more, taste trumps it. If your product is 10% more in cost, make sure I can taste the 10% or I am not paying for it. I'll buy it at a 20% discount but NOT a 10% markup if you cannot justify it.
FOS brand milk tastes 20% better.
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I'd be happy to see GMOs banned.
Thanks, I'm going to watch the video and look around that site for more.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:18 AM
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FOS brand milk tastes 20% better.
Never heard of it but if it does really taste much better and the price matches, I'll get it.
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GMO livestock? Better give me an example........
There aren't any in the food supply yet, but they're on the way. A dairy cow has been created in New Zealand through gene modification and cloning. It's milk is said to be high in protein and completely lacking the one protein thought to cause milk allergies in children. Just one example I can think of off the top of my head.

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