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martureo · #16 01-08-2013, 12:05 PM

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Curious as to how many who answered yes, supported the killing of Bin Laden instead of turning the other cheek?

I supported imprisoning him and putting him on trial.

martureo · #17 01-08-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Jesus stated that; "the poor will always be with us." How many poor people are capable of taking care of other poor people? Very few, I'd venture. What we do have in motion, is the case where the tax-collectors seize from the haves/rich, to take for themselves and the poor. I make a case for the Gov't (public servants) and the poor, BOTH needing the rich to feed them both. We cannot do without the rich, for those reasons. Why does the Govt and many have-nots want to do away with the rich, by hating and taxing out of existence, those that feed them? Doesn't make sense.

If he was, (a socialist) it would seem that He would not have supported union labor, since I don't recall reading where He mentioned it.

Probably because it wasn't around.

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He struck me as a free-lance, independent agent type of guy. Also, He wasn't fond of money-changers (whatever their function was) for whatever reasons, by turning their tables over in the temple - as the story goes.

The money changers were currency exchangers of their day. They were not always so honest about the exchange rates. They also sold animals for sacrifices.

If you were a Jew, it was necessary to go to the temple (only one existed) in Jerusalem and bring your offering to be sacrificed to atone for your sins. But since many lived quite long distances, bringing the best of your flock/herd may not be a viable option. So you'd sell your best animal, travel to Jerusalem and then go to the money changers and salesmen in the temple courts to buy an animal for sacrifice.

The moneychangers were cheating to poo out of people. Jesus was enraged that the temple was made a "den of thieves".

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If He does exist, which is hotly debated around here

His existence is only doubted by idiots. Even Bart Ehrman (agnostic NT scholar) makes that quite clear.

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- I'm making note to send in aklim (and possibly others' from writings I've read) to argue the case in the public arena with Him, that He couldn't possibly exist. I want to see that.

raymr · #18 01-08-2013, 12:14 PM

I clicked on ACCEPT by accident. I thought I was downloading software.

kerry · #19 01-08-2013, 12:36 PM

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I clicked on ACCEPT by accident. I thought I was downloading software.

Actually, to accept is to download a certain kind of software which gives a person access to an otherwise invisible world.

Skid Row Joe · #20 01-08-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Probably because it wasn't around.

I think we know that - (it, 'union labor' wasn't around) but can you make a case for Jesus being a socialist, when by all indications and example, he appeared to be an independent operator?

To me, the only thing He had going for others to follow, was the promise of everlasting life, not a wage or cost of living scale. Perhaps I must have missed the lessons on or paralelling the case for 'union labor' then, no?

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The money changers were currency exchangers of their day. They were not always so honest about the exchange rates. They also sold animals for sacrifices.

If you were a Jew, it was necessary to go to the temple (only one existed) in Jerusalem and bring your offering to be sacrificed to atone for your sins. But since many lived quite long distances, bringing the best of your flock/herd may not be a viable option. So you'd sell your best animal, travel to Jerusalem and then go to the money changers and salesmen in the temple courts to buy an animal for sacrifice.

The moneychangers were cheating to poo out of people. Jesus was enraged that the temple was made a "den of thieves".His existence is only doubted by idiots. Even Bart Ehrman (agnostic NT scholar) makes that quite clear.

Personally, I can't make a case for calling anyone an idiot for their individual beliefs. Does this Bart Ehrman, do just that? Or is that your belief?

martureo · #21 01-08-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

I think we know that - (it, 'union labor' wasn't around) but can you make a case for Jesus being a socialist, when by all indications and example, he appeared to be an independent operator?

I'm saying that the case cannot be made either way.

It's about as inane as asking if Julius Caesar would've liked an iphone or Andriod.

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To me, the only thing He had going for others to follow, was the promise of everlasting life, not a wage or cost of living scale. Perhaps I must have missed the lessons on or paralelling the case for 'union labor' then, no?

Just so you know, I'm an anti-trade-unionist.

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Personally, I can't make a case for calling anyone an idiot for their individual beliefs. Does this Bart Ehrman, do just that? Or is that your belief?

I would say Mythicists were idiots. And I've heard two incidents where Dr. Ehrman himself made the statement.

aklim · #22 01-08-2013, 01:08 PM

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Yes.

With no disrespect meant to either - what the Catholic Church hasn't done for or to me, Jesus will fill in the blanks when I die.

Catholic Church hasn't done you yet?

aklim · #23 01-08-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

BTW Jim, Jesus wanted to see people rich in SPIRIT.

Does that pay the bills? I think not.

aklim · #24 01-08-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Curious as to how many who answered yes, supported the killing of Bin Laden instead of turning the other cheek?

Ancient Chinese Saying: If man slap you on the left cheek and you turn your right, soon you have 2 sore cheeks.

kerry · #25 01-08-2013, 01:10 PM

He didn't address the question of unions, but he did speak his mind on the question of rich men in general (according to the gospels).

aklim · #26 01-08-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

If he was, (a socialist) it would seem that He would not have supported union labor, since I don't recall reading where He mentioned it. He struck me as a free-lance, independent agent type of guy. Also, He wasn't fond of money-changers (whatever their function was) for whatever reasons, by turning their tables over in the temple - as the story goes.

If He does exist, which is hotly debated around here - I'm making note to send in aklim (and possibly others' from writings I've read) to argue the case in the public arena with Him, that He couldn't possibly exist. I want to see that.

Did they have unions about the time he was alleged to have exist? Did anyone ask him? Are the scribblings all the chronicles of his life which includes every action and word spoken or just some selected passages? Maybe he DID say something but nobody jotted it down? It's not like he had a scribe follow him around from the first day he was able to speak til he got nailed, in more ways than one. Assuming he did exist in the way it was told and not like the fish story where the fish gets bigger with each telling.

I don't follow. If he does exist, what is there to argue? I don't argue that the sun rises in the East. I will argue that it won't rise in the West tomorrow.

aklim · #27 01-08-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Even Bart Ehrman (agnostic NT scholar) makes that quite clear.

Exactly what does Bart say that proves the existence?

aklim · #28 01-08-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Actually, to accept is to download a certain kind of software which gives a person access to an otherwise invisible world.

Probably a virus

aklim · #29 01-08-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I would say Mythicists were idiots. And I've heard two incidents where Dr. Ehrman himself made the statement.

With what does he support his statement? Hard proof or just words?

jplinville · #30 01-08-2013, 01:33 PM

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Does that pay the bills? I think not.

I believe that it does. God has never allowed me to go hungry and has made sure I seem to have what I NEED, even when I didn't know I needed it at the time. Even as a child, when my parents worried over every penny (we were on welfare at the time due to a bad business partner dad had) there was always food. There was always shelter. There was always love...Like I said, things I NEED, not things I want.

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